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General DiscussionVisage should get nerfed in 7.20!

Visage should get nerfed in 7.20! in General Discussion
SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

    Guys.. this hero is one of the highest winrate in ancient to immortal brackets. He is crazy OP and there is not much micro to even ctrl the birds i see ppl just ctrl them all as one grp and rekt all. He has very few counters and no hard counters and even then he comes online much earlier than his counters.
    Almost impossible to lane against post lvl 6.. wins lanes
    ... eat towers and worst part is he is extremely tanky due to cloak. Valve really should remodel this op hero!

    cartel

      probably a minor nerf...but who knows

      spilled

        I would like to see him nerfed as a core. He was my favorite support hero before the changes, and now the changes benefit him being a core and punish him for being a support. I still pick him as a 4 sometimes but my team often loses their shit because I'm not taking visage mid and tell me to take him mid instead.

        I wish people were more attentive to the team comp and realize the risks involved in committing a core spot, especially mid, to a visage. You're taking a hero who scales well with levels and committing him to a farming role. You're racing the clock as visage mid to get a t3 down. If you've got a team that needs to outfarm and outlast, you're a lot better off relegating visage to a 4 or 5 role. In this position he scales incredibly well into the late game because you have three other heroes that are cores instead of two, and utility really doesn't fall off the same way damage does. You also get to max your nuke first and abuse the high dmg during early teamfights, hovering the backline and bursting, using grave chill defensively to cripple their right click output instead of slowing to chase someone down.

        Mid vis is strong af yeah but I want to utilize his other strengths. I'm worried that trying to nerf him to balance him out for mid is going to cripple him as a 3/4/5 and he'll be unpickable. If they put charges back on the familiar damage like it used to be, he won't have the pushing power he currently has and would be more useful in the support position than he is now.

        ok thats my autistic rant for this evening hope you all are having a swell time

        SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

          Wow frm a 1.7k visage spammer... you clearly has in depth knowledge of the hero. Yes it used to be a strong supp with kuroky and aui doing well with them. And they buffed it so much that the birds has endless dmg and now with the ez noob button for stun .. players who cant micro can even now start to stun. Pls make op heros to be more micro incentive ie like meepo brood arc etc so it requires more skill to play it. Visage is super ez to use compared to these heros.

          shady_stuff

            visage is a very weak laner post level 6. with one of the most op power spikes at level 6, his game before that most involves not getting denied to hell or feeding. Think about it: he has no reliable flash farm tool like lina or dk. he has no reliable single damage nuke like tinker or invoker. he cannot push out lanes to get rune control like sf, and he also has no control of the last hits and denies like ta cuz of a ridiculously bad orb animation and horrible base damage . the only thing he is good at it is trading, but really, the most simple way is to not trade with him. unless you're playing a hero like sniper or tinker you really shouldn't lose against this guy mid. Most effective way to counter visage is not hero picks, but having you midlaner shut him down before he gets his birds. plenty of good people can achieve this. i find that quas wex invo is very good at this, a good clinkz, or a ta is super good at doing this.

            DC.MASON

              one dimensional heroes like visage mid, brood or huskar should be either reworked, balanced accordingly or just removed

              AnŦaiN

                Heroes like brood , visage alchemist techies ,ck and meepo should not be reworked at all . If they are reworked or removed it would remove the mindgames from the drafting phase.

                DC.MASON

                  would you elaborate on how does some bullshit lastpick that fucks up entire enemy laning and "mindgames" relate to each other?

                  NO_Electricity

                    Sniper is one of the best counters to visage and BTW
                    Just deny his farm Ez kappa

                    SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

                      Except sniper is dogshit in this meta

                      Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                        Lina, meepo, templar, huskar, sniper wrecks this hero, special mention to kunkka and wr cuz they can deny creeps easily

                        DC.MASON

                          yep, that's even funnier about visage because he's not even that good

                          he sucks actually

                          Kotato

                            a twist: PA got 3 dagger talent against visage and her birds!

                            Jack__Attack

                              Throw a melee hero mid against visage and he loses every matchup.. the most bothersome counters I've experienced are lich,axe,spectre,PA.

                              Going to reiterate pick a melee hero mid if you see visage go mid projectile speed is hella slow and attack animation sucks. And he cant harrass anyone out of lane.

                              SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

                                How is he bad against melee etc if he can actually grave chill all melee heros and use that to cs or deny?

                                Jack__Attack

                                  Yeah, grave chill is used to CS and deny but it's not that effective. Especially if opposing hero has more base damage + quelling blade..

                                  Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                                    Lol, if you play visage a lot, you should know how to last hit when visage uses grave chill on you, learn the timing