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General DiscussionChongqing Major looks like TI5 - Short One-Sided Games

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OütKazt

    7.20e, as seen in the Chongqing Major, is extremely stale. Similar to patch 6.81, every game has an extremely heavy emphasis on winning your lanes, getting early-mid game items, and constantly moving around the map as 5. This makes for many one sided games, many of which end in less than 30 minutes, where nearly every game consists of 3 slotted cores, 3 kills cores, 20-8 kill scores, and extremely quick highground sieges. Many items and heroes are completely removed from the meta for this reason, and not only that, but the overall hero pools of teams looks extremely small, when in reality most of these teams can play 80+ heroes. Heroes that carry Radiance are gone, illusion heroes are nonexistent with the exception of Terrorblade, utility offlaners are completely unseen, and dedicated roamers are a farcry from the support meta. Items like Bloodthorn, Satanic, Heart on carries, and multiple Moonshards have nearly vanished, and many situational carry items(Linken's, AC, Armlet, Sheeps, Nullifier) have been nearly untouched, other than being rare pickups on offlaners. Supports are spending all of their gold on sentries, dust, smokes, and wards, with an occasional item and brown boots.

    There is very little room for other strats. Few exceptions being Medusa lineups(which are also ending some games quickly), Antimage lineups(which are starting to fade), and Beastmaster Prophet strats where fights are semi-avoided. There are no Spectres, Alchemists, Lone Druids, PLs, QoPs, Night Stalkers, Wyverns, or even Death Prophets.

    While this is simply the Dota patch cycle where something has to be weak and something has to be strong, and every game has to have some focus, there are simply no alternative options. Every game almost looks the exact same. It's actually gotten to the point where I can almost guess half the heroes that are going to be picked before drafts even start, and I'm 1k, which really says something. The only thing thats really unpredictable is which team gets which of the 25 heroes picked in every game, and exactly what minute before 30 will the game end.

    Can't wait for 7.21!

    Murranji

      When almost every team is running the same heroes and certain heroes/strategies are not even picked once you know the meta is broken and heroes are not balanced well. There’s like 30 unpicked heroes and 30 more who’ve barely been picked once or twice. Mean while Lich or grimstroke is in every second game, tusk or earth spirit as the pos 4, Tiny or OD as mid and jug TB or PA is the carry most of the time with Sven/Tide/BM or darkseer offlane. Extremely limited and boring hero pool.

      Inflation Agent

        CHONGQING MAJOR is meme-less and boring as fuck. Im starting to see TI9 china going downhill already

        Sixe史吏

          Meme-less? What are you talking about?

          41c is getting kicked after all the money to hire him and the fanfare? Is he the most expensive bust in (recent) CN DotA history? Did he really "misclick" or was that game an "I'm done" moment. He has less MMR than his coach, for crying out loud!
          Wings.Shadow carrying 4 水友. Hence why the new team is called Liquid, though some of us think it should be called Team Pegasus. The moment he feels unwell, the team loses.
          Speaking of Shadow, it's in his best interests to win, but not win it all. Lose early and he gets called noob. Win it all and he gets called a traitor (and we may just see OG.Miracle again). Get Top 4, and he will be hired.
          The "conspiracy" involving xiao8/faith_bian to "poison" the Western competition with spicy hotpot leading to diarrhea the next day. Not even his ex-teammate Wings.Shadow was spared. Who is the true evil genius?
          Repeat of the Shanghai Major after EHOME and LGD both losing yesterday?

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          Murranji

            Fnatic vsing Jstorm right now. Guess what heroes are being used?

            Yep - lich, OD, Tiny on Fnatic, grimstroke, PA on Jstorm. So predictable.

            Totentanz to The King: M ...

              normies are just never satisfied. if the games were long you would complain they were "boring farmfests with no action". its not really the heroes that define the meta right now, but the items. bracer/wraith band/null talisman are really strong, along with crimson guard, vlads, pipe and a bunch of other similar items, which makes people want to play in a way that allows them to make the most use of these items. thus they pick heroes which benefit the most from these items and the gameplay they bring.

              one syllable anglo-saxon

                thats right stf­u cringe normies 😤😤😤

                La Joya

                  Maybe the OP sounds dull but he got the point about the current meta. Not only major, admit it kn pubs we always got one of these heroes: jugger, PA, tiny, pudge, tusk, axe, beastmaster, lion, or lich. Circle of the meta. Its the most stale patch since TI7 if i can remember, yet we've forced to following the meta to winning the games cause that how dota works.

                  Can't wait until the major ends and hope the following patch give some good upgrades.

                  Feachairu

                    i prefer long games like og vs lgd in ti tho
                    fun

                    Marko Bulat

                      They will change the game again when Major is over, whats the point in complaining? Valve just wants diferent shit on every tournament, soon they will nerf most picked heroes to oblivion and new set of 10 will emerge so we can complain about something else on the next tournament, this is how it has always been, you will never see same heroes rule on Majors for more than 3-6 Months, whats the fuss about?

                      Talker

                        It was always like this, just last year there were changes every couple of weeks throughout the season, so it made it look much more dynamic. There are 35 unpicked with still 8 series left with maximum 26 games to be played.

                        If you look on last season:
                        Bucharest major: 29 heroes unpicked.
                        Katowice: 24 unpicked
                        Dreamhack: 27 unpicked heroes
                        Hamburk: 36 unpicked
                        DAC: 20 unpicked
                        Epicenter: 11 unpicked (but it was major before TI, so many teams were trying out new things and heroes)

                        So it is just a bit higher than what in average is picked. And after the major there will be another big patch which will completely reshape the meta and bring back some illusion based heroes for example.

                        Inflation Agent

                          @Sixe史吏 Those are more or less "controversies" and reddit stuff not meme worthy. I want Dank Memes shits with my major

                          A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                            long games are extremely fun for viewing. I feel the pros are super efficient at farming now , hence the games being ended early in half of the cases. The other half is due to auras being very very strong now, if a hero won the lane well and has either built in aura or get aura items quick , its easy to take the first set of racks.

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                            Autumnus

                              Tnc vs liquid, tnc was dominating the first 20 mins but for some reason still lost to liquid

                              A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                                ^That was because of gh god and his signature defense on kotl. Not to mention if tnc had committed to taking the racks, they would lose the team fight to willowisp and ravage.

                                Murranji

                                  As of today the top elevn heroes have been picked 300 times added up. That is to say Lich, Grimstroke, Tiny, Earth Spirit, Tusk, Jug, Sven, TB, Tide, PA, and OD.

                                  Of the top bans, wisp, dazzle, Medusa, Elder Titan, Earth Spirit, Tusk, Huskar, Kunkka, Tiny, Beastmaster, OD, Lich, Grimstroke.

                                  It's clear there's a couple of heroes who are either picked or banned in almost every draft. Some like wisp and dazzle would be picked if they aren't banned. Medusa has apparently become very popular because hero agi gain was increased by 0.9 per level (from 2.5 to 3.4 per level) and if she wasn't banned so much she would be picked as much as TB and Jug.

                                  It's the most stale major I've ever seen. Same line ups over and over again.

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                                  Murranji

                                    This is such a joke. EG vs VG going on now. Guess which heroes were picked?

                                    Game 1 - EG has OD, Tusk, Beastmaster, VG has Earth Spirit, Grimstroke, Jug, Medusa, Dazzle.
                                    Game 2 - EG has Earth Spirit, OD, VG has Tusk, Terrorblade, Dazzle, Beastmaster

                                    It's beyond parody.

                                    Marko Bulat

                                      Why is beyond parody? Every tournament had top 10 most contested picks name me one where all heroes had same pick rate ill wait.

                                      Last TI was most diverse for sure but most picked were and at least 1 of them was present in every single game: Mirana, WR, Phantom Lancer Warlock Venge Lina and Tiny.

                                      Whats your problem Muranji? I dont understand? Why its so hard for you to grasp the concept that every competitive online game has its own meta-game that will revolve around 10 heros that work and rest thatt are garbage?

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                                      Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                        murranji's problem is that he has severe brain damage and cannot comprehend simple concepts such as "good heroes get picked more often"

                                        Murranji

                                          Damn my secret brain damage has been discovered.

                                          sirlala

                                            I think the worst parts about this meta are how bounties are too strong, and sentries are too strong. Each bounty is a 400g swing even at level one and it gets to be a 1000g swing per bounty pretty quickly. This makes it way too easy for the team that's ahead to stay ahead.

                                            Sentries got buffed from 3 minutes to 4 minutes to 6 minutes, with the range from 800 to 1000. You can now stack unlimited sentries and obs in one inventory slot, plus a backpack makes it much more convenient than when it took it's own slot out of 6. Observer wards now give a large gold and experience bounty so sentries often will pay for themselves. The decision to place sentries in every junction is no longer a decision, it's almost always worth doing even if the other team doesn't have invis. They made changes to try to give the 5 more gold and item options, but they made ward-bitch too effective so now it's the expectation and the meta.

                                            JDF8

                                              lets buff vlads and bm

                                              5 minute ggs

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