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General DiscussionCan someone explain how blademail actually works?

Can someone explain how blademail actually works? in General Discussion
Where is my Hu Tao

    Sometimes it does a lot of damage sometimes it does no damage.

    For example i blademail a Void that has maelstrom it usually kills hims but sometimes he has bkb and it doesnt hurt him. Does that mean if he is doing magic damage what is return is also magic damage and thus if he is magic immune it doesnt hurt him? This would mean if i lower the enemy armor blademail would do more damage of if he is a magic dps applying a veil would increase the blademail damage?

    kowareta

      For 4.5 seconds, duplicates any damage taken back to the unit that dealt the damage.
      Cooldown icon25Mana icon25
      Damage Return is calculated before any kind of reduction.

      Damage Return doesn't reflect damage from other forms of Blade Mail.

      Returned damage type is the same as it was received.

      Can pierce Spell Immunity if the original damage type does.

      A razor-sharp coat of mail, it is the choice of selfless martyrs in combat.

      kowareta

        imagine having a 3year badge meanwhile u dont know about item descriptions and tooltips.
        P.S. KEKW

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        '96 Neve Campbell

          Ignore this fucking moron.

          It returns the same damage type you dealt before reduction meaning if you have a spell that deals 600 damage it will always reflect 600 damage regardless of the user’s magic resistance. However the damage will be reduced by your own magic resistance or you wont take any damage at all if you are spell immune.

          It also means that in situations where you have significantly more armour than the blade mail user you can often kill them through it despite having less HP. This was particularly noticeable on pre-nerf drow ranger where you would completely ignore enemy armour thus taking very little damage from their blade mail compared to them since drow has high armour gain

          Where is my Hu Tao

            well thats the problem with playing dota for a long time. They make so many changes all the time. Things ingrain in your head suddenly change without you knowing if you say stop playing a week or 2. I am pretty sure blademail damage was pure for a while. Meaning any damage you receive will return pure. There was a time you can lifesteal off blademail as well and even further back it was only magical so bkb will block all damage. So it is really unfair to use the excuse playing for a long time = you know everything.

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            kowareta

              Ignore this fucking moron.

              another joke obviously :axe_laugh:
              why u even call me moron? or any body else when u have less than avg IQ.
              anyway seems u are happy here, u found someone with lower IQ than ur self and now u are enjoying explaining obvious stuff (for normal human being) to him. sry for interruption. taking notes ladz.

              '96 Neve Campbell

                well thats the problem with playing dota for a long time. They make so many changes all the time. Things ingrain in your head suddenly change without you knowing if you say stop playing a week or 2. I am pretty sure blademail damage was pure for a while. Meaning any damage you receive will return pure. There was a time you can lifesteal off blademail as well and even further back it was only magical so bkb will block all damage. So it is really unfair to use the excuse playing for a long time = you know everything.

                I dont think it ever did pure damage but it definitely used to return damage after reduction as (magical?) damage but some retarded people on this forum would expect you to know the exact mechanics of blade mail and when it was changed :)

                why u even call me moron?

                Cause ur a completely stupid child with absolutely zero social skills and your attitude fucking sucks

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                kowareta

                  ya i understand. but u could check description anyway. its fair enough if i make fun of it :D

                  kowareta

                    Cause ur a completely stupid child with absolutely zero social skills and your attitude fucking sucks

                    so true KEKW.

                    Where is my Hu Tao

                      i believe 2016 blademail stop getting the pure damage. For about 6 years before hand blademail always been pure thus like I said ingrain in your head. My guess is now if you have elder titan or you have a veil or solar crest you can actually increase the blademail damage?

                      kowareta

                        some retarded people on this forum would expect you to know the exact mechanics of blade mail and when it was changed

                        nobody expects anything from u, but from others i expect they act like normal beings and read notes, descriptions before making a thread about it, cause its faster. (in your special case u are just looking for attention)

                        Farzad

                          @kowareta
                          there are a lot of retarded topics in this website which is written by manchild bluestar players ,why don't you talk shit to them ?

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                          kowareta

                            first, its not talking shit, its making fun. grow up and dont be insecure about everything.
                            second, i will if i find. mention one.

                            Udder Certainty

                              No idea how blademail works. I just buy it cause it has spikes.

                              Fk yea spikes are cool

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                              JDF8

                                if u play lc go buy blademail and duel tb and see how much damage he takes, the answer is fucking none

                                before u could buy hp and no armor and instantly kill morp tb etc

                                Cheap Laugh Guy

                                  Blademail used to reflect pure damage or just hp removal. Then it became too OP at a point, it now reflects the type of damage it receives.
                                  It's good that you're aware. These mechanics always change and it's better/easier to train your gameplay than learning these interactions.

                                  Cheap Laugh Guy

                                    Here it is.

                                    6.60
                                    Changed Damage Return damage type from Magical to Pure.

                                    6.87
                                    Damage Return
                                    Now returns damage in the same type as it was received, instead of always being pure.

                                    https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Blade_Mail/Changelogs

                                    Dota 2 wiki is a great page for learning these little things.

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                                    9o_o6

                                      so this is what I am talking about. Should I get a solar crest to increase the blademail damage or even a veil if say I am blademail a viper since all he has is magic damage and he has magic resistance.

                                      Cheap Laugh Guy

                                        Blademail damage does not exist if no one hits you

                                        Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                          Should I get a solar crest to increase the blademail damage

                                          Yes absolutely thinking but that's not the way to optimize blademail usage as the carrier of this item : you have to think in terms of high value armor VS low value armor.

                                          As explained in the article of the link, the more armor the target has, the less value it has :
                                          - If the attacker has 42 armor and you reduce it by 8, you'll amplify only the damages returned by like 5% to 7% (low value armor)
                                          - If the attacker has 16 armor and you reduce it by 8, you'll amplify the damages returned by 17% (high value armor)
                                          => The solar crest + blademail trick is stronger against high value armor.
                                          To give you an overview (not gonna redo the maths but to give you an idea), if you are a clockwerk with blademail against a PA, using the solar crest on the PA will amplify the damages returned by like 5% to 7% whereas keeping it as an armor buff will allow you take 17% more damages.
                                          In other words:
                                          - If you use the solar crest on the PA, you'll return like 5 crits amplified by 5%
                                          - If you keep the armor given of the solar crest, you'll return like 7 - 8 crits, hence, more damages

                                          TLDR: Yes you amplify the damages with solar crest active absolutely thinking but keeping the armor stats from the item can allow you to tank and, hence, return more damages. It's all a matter of balance between high value armor VS low value armor with you and the attacker.

                                          Hope it helps,

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                                          Akeel

                                            My legend brain just exploded

                                            Bungmangler

                                              It hurts the enemy if they hurt you... its the ultimate emo weapon

                                              Filthy

                                                A high armour specter with blade mail on reflects a shit load of damage compared to how much she takes . Axe call is also nice cuz the armour buff he gets .

                                                JDF8

                                                  thats why ac is so effective with lc blademail btw

                                                  Zarse

                                                    correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a patch where you applied FULL damage to whatever source you reflected the damage to, and THEN you had your own reductions after that? such as vanguard and pipe, which meant that people were doing blade mail vanguards

                                                    What patch was that? There were even people in 6k mmr rolling Skywrath Blade mail those days

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