General DiscussionMost under rated heroes?

meepo, many people think meepo is a shit hero, but acually hes rly strong, if not even a bit op.

brutmader. she was once one of the most terrifying heroes to play against.

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shes one of the most useless heroes. Squsihy as fuck, does nothing in teamfights, pushing is terrible, easy to counter.

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people got used to playing againist her
its not that hard to keep the spider from not getting snowballed or even farmed rly

Warlock. He has an AOE stun that walks around and punches you in the face + fatal bonds = Super teamfight potential. PLUS it kills towers.

>AOE stun that walks around and punches you in the face

undying is amazing early/mid game. but i dont like him late game.

In the laning stage undying is undoubtedly the best hero in the entire game as i see it, u can get so many kills with him. Undying/Veno or a hero with slow will get a thousand of kills when laning.

sniper

Ancient Apparition - extremly squishy but the ultimate is overpowered.

- 40 sec cd on that global (!) thing. Just need to be accurate. The cd starts immediately after you shot it, what makes it even stronger. It's in a way comparable to Treant Protector since it gives a quite unexpected advantage to your team even if you are not really part of the fight.

- Eul's scepter + her q leads to a reliable strong stun. Also great when people dive you or a teammate under turret: you run around a bit and they pay the price

-The w gives vision, slows good and is quite spammable (but very mana hungry).

-The e is very underrated imo. All seem to look at the as-slow but the buff is much better (especially at higher levels).

- Great counter to shi. like Huskar and all heroes that rely on healing effects.

People seem to think you needed good communication with your team with aa, but if you have great map awareness and can read the situation you don't need that too much imo.

And oc: Kill people when they think they were safe for now or at the end of the match in the fountain, snipe people everywhere :); very cool (:D) hero

yea zombie is nice,
and in late game that damage amplification is no joke

also, easy to play, just jump into middle of fight pop-up tombstone + ulti then just spam rest of spells and hope for the best

Death prophet really needs more love in competitive...it's just a shame people misunderstand how ridiculous her pushing power is.

Oh hey I hear you want that rune, sure go ahead :)

tower drops almost instantly, move onto next lane. Of course they are perfect conditions but with the right team synergy death prophet becomes an absolute monster.

^ also what he said, yes

I'd say Ogre Magi if we're talking pubs. I would say that at least 3/4 of pub teams will quickly fill up with auto-click carries who who need to be babysat during early game. Ogre Magi is almost always capable of doing this with his early stuns, slows, and high armour (usually 5-6 depending on items). He is not the best lane support but he gets the job done. He is also has enough durability and utility to solo mid or hardlane during the laning phase. Also, unlike most supports, his potential does not peak in the mid-game. multi-cast allows his spell damage to keep scaling up very far into the game and and once his berserker skill is maxed you are adding a lot of dps to your carries and with the right item build, to yourself. So you have a tanky utility/ support that increases your teams movement speed and dps while actually achieving significant dps to themselves and having abilities to slow and stun opponents for up to three seconds. This makes him one of the most ideal supports in pubs and he really fits my playstyle.

For items this is my standard build Wans --> Arcane --> Force Staff (The rest is situational but definitely get scepter if your team is lacking disables)

Situational: Aghanim's Scepter ,Drums of Endurance, Eul's Scepter of Divity, Shivas Guard,

^ You'll cry when you get 2 x2 Fireblast multicasts in the entire match while an enemy Ogre Magi instagibs you with a x8 Fireblast multicast though.

I concur with the Warlock mention. Even after the slight nerfs he received in the last patch, he's still very strong. Fatal Bonds specially is a very understimated skill, even though it deals HP-removal damage and functions as a pseudo-detection/tracking skill; a Mekans makes him deceptively tanky and his Golems Flaming Fists not only proc very often, but they deal Universal type damage as well.

Also, as we are talking about pubs, me and a friend have discovered that a lot of people don't really know how to deal with a Broodmother + Dazzle combo in the offlane.

sniper drow riki

visage

^ Visage isnt underated

tusk. just dont waste time farming in lane when u hit 6 gank their faces off.

^^in pubs its underrated

definitely omni!
just has to know how to pick to get him against a comfortable lineup where he can do his magic

disruptor.. i never face againts a good disruptor or play with a good disruptor.. plus its rare to see people pick disruptor for me.. usually they play because they random it.

lycan, morph, beastmaster

many teams tried lycan after 79 but he lost too many matches. maybe they couldn't find the right use of the hero.
BTW I think that meepo is underpowered as hell .

underpowered? definitely not.
perhaps underrated, but even that's the question.

necro,witch doctor,pugna

Viper, While he doesnt Scale super well into late game he can just totally dominate a mid lane and control the mid game
Nightstalker, One of the best gankers, In the early game I might be wrong on underrated i just feel like i dont see him often enough unless i pick him

I'll agree with Captain for AA. My favorite aspects about him:

- Strong mid lane presence -- even against heroes like OD you can do well. Unconventional, but I'll level E/Q/E/Q/E/ to allow for last hits/denies and even harass.

- Deceptive damage -- I've done this so often: a carry-type hero like PA jumps on you. Q/E combo, toss out your ult and an urn charge. With auto-attacks, the urn burn & ult DoT you're dishing out huge amounts of damage in a short window of time. In pub games, people don't really expect that much damage out of him. Sure, sometimes you might die -- but I feel more often than not you'll get the kill and leave the carry in the dust.

@Alan Mandragon

OGRE MAGI IS ONE OF THE MOST USELESS hero in the game. He is a melee support, can't deward in cliffs, zero laning presence + babysit ability.
Also agha is a total waste of money only for that extra stun.