General Discussiontop 50 luna

I think you are in Normal/High bracket so would not be eligible for the top rankings *checks* nope not on there.

Your Luna still looks good though.

im in very high for a year now

tnx tho

I was teaching 4 newbies how to play Dota2 about 8 months back http://dotabuff.com/matches/135240533 I think the ratings may have gone stagnant as well e.g. dunno if new players are getting onto the list at all

the rubick is a friend of mine, he's normal mm

Thats a great winrate on Luna mate, but maybe the KDA is too low?

I dunno how the top 50 works now, since DBR is gone...could somebody explain?

idk about KDA, but tnx!

pic pls? c:

It's all about DBR. KDA, winrate and number of games don't matter much. I actually hate these top 50, because most of the players are random competitive / extremely high MMR players who have around 30 games with the hero and 60% winrate. I've seen once a guy with 50% winrate on the list.

If singsing plays a hero 30 times and gets 60% winrate I can assure he will be in the top 50.
Meanwhile, even if I get 70% with my Tinker in 150 games playing very high south america MM I won't figure in it.

Which is why the current top x is garbage, and needs to be reworked. As for how? I don't know.

Isn't that the point of it? It's called "top" after all. Even if SingSing is playing one of his worst heroes he is most likely a lot better at it than some Very High pubber.

No. It's a top playing with a hero, not a top of "best players that used this hero 30 times". It's different.
For example, I'll probably never play better than Sochska, but he played miserably as Tinker in the last game of Quantic vs Rattlesnake in this years qualifier before TI3. I would have played better than him in that game, because I'm a lot better than him with the hero, even though I'm worse than him as a player. Everybody knows who are the best players; if the purpose of the top 50 was to have the best players, every top would be almost the same, right? And indeed it is the same. SingSing is in half of the tops, Universe too...

^
sure you "might" just use the hero better but you are forgetting that the technical knowledge of using a hero has little impact,gamer sense is much more important.Also pubs are not competitive games where teams are coordinated,you can't just compare his game with yours.

before you guys request for plus members to check whether if you are on top 50, you should have a near 60% win rate,58% minimum.
Otherwise forget about it.

You've been in very high for a year? And your 1st game was a year ago? lmao, my friend, you are bad at lying

@黒目の白兎
Game sense depends on hero usage. My game sense with Tinker is WAY higher than with any other hero.
Watch a game of Grimorum's Invoker, now watch a game when he plays another hero. It's another player. It's not the same game sense.
Pubs are very close to competitive matches when they are very high pool and two 5 man stacks playing against each other. I've played some games well above the brazilian competitive level (which is not high, of course)
I can compare because I've seen him making lots of blunders in that game and I'm sure many players, including me, would've done better. Like I said, he's still a lot better than me. That's not the case.
The point is, the top50 is supposed to be the players who have the best understaing and knowledge about the hero; those who have the most games with the biggest winrate and KDA. Of course MMR is important, but today it's like MMR defines the top. You really think it's cool to see SingSing with 30 games and 55% winrate in the top?

To me, the number of games played with the hero should be more important in the algorythm, as well as winrate and KDA. MMR can be analyzed but not like it's right now. (and there's no more DBR as well)
In 30 games you may just have been lucky in most of them and got a 80% winrate. It's harder to have 65% in 100 games than 80% in 30.

"I would have played better than him in that game, because I'm a lot better than him with the hero, even though I'm worse than him as a player. "

I really doubt that. :)

Do you remember the game? Have you watched it? If you did, watch again.
He was solo killed by a Weaver in the safe lane because he didn't have a single level of Laser for blind.
He didn't position well in teamfights and died several times because of that.
I had already posted this here and people agreed with me, I won't keep typing the same stuff over and over, think whatever you want. Pro players aren't gods, you know.

Thanks for the explanation, but does the top50 reset or something?

I remember being in the Naga siren top 3 or 4 months ago, and a friend of mine told me I wasn't there anymore.

@Satellizer, well the top 50 has an algorithm involving DBR, win rate and KDA. DBR is over since a longe time ago so this factor doesn't change; however, it still exists (and that's why pro players are in most tops). WR and KDA still change normally, so this is what makes your score nowadays.
And if you don't play the hero during a period of time you get kicked out of the top. (if you play it you get back to your original position)

Also lets say if Admiral Bulldog started Dota after DBR was taken out, he would never have his Lone Druid as part of the top 50.

^ exactly that's why I want a top50 without DBR in the algorithm