General DiscussionDem 2 Spirits

ye emberspirit is op at early-mid game still can get into late game but not that strong compare to other reliable carrys.i still remember the old dota1 days when emberspirit got released no.1 pubstomb hero for about a week till icefrog nerfed him HARD.am guessing that what we gone see in dota2 for the next few weeks

on the other hand still waiting for PHOENIX and LC.

earth spirits animations feel like i am playing on us servers instead of local host

Ember is lots of fun and all of his spells are pretty powerful. Good aoe damage, little bit of lockdown, mobility, and even a free pipe! Battlefury is awesome on him, cleave works with his W.

Earth Spirit, I don't know, seems to deal no damage at all. No reliable lockdown either. Where exactly does he excel at?

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at crippling your enemies hardcore.

Ember - Deso on whole team, nice

Earth - trolling hero, game changing fails/wins

bkb on ember spirit is funny. So is a level 5 radiance.

Ember with battlefury and Deso seems to be really good, especially imagine Void + Ember, he can use his W twice (!) , I mean wtf: Deso + Battlefury dmg + normal dmg on every hero + W extra dmg + Void hitting! In the time between you can set up your ult in the bubble or to the escape paths and start your shield at the very end of Voids Ultimate, destroying what is left. But even without Void, using W whenever they stand next to each other will destroy teams. Never tried all that stuff in a real game though.

i remember dem dota 1 days, u get a maelstrom on him, max sleight and 1 click rampage against pushers (furion treants, chen/ enchantress, meepo, etc) Very earthshaker like burst damage. With that being said I don't think we'll see Xin in CM considering sleight has 6 sec cd and can be casted from a safe range. GG NECROBOOKS?

as for earth spirit, icefrog is running out of ideas, his skills are similar to WuKong in League of Legends. wut the fucks. Also looks like a gay power ranger like someone said. -_- Also seems to be very level dependent. Can't really run as a support role since his stun is 1 sec at level one. Can't carry either, no real dps abilities. This might become a mid hero because of spammable spells

only noobs talk about new heros cuz they didnt play dota 1 ( old as fuck heros they are ) so yea noobs

and ember spirit need 2 battlefury so he can one hit with his 2nd spell that attack multiple ennemy in a second ( that get only good late game)

and earth most op but no1 know how to play him properly

^says the one that thinks 954 GPM with alch is a big accomplishment. lmaaao

Ember ganks seem to be beyond godlike too. Omg I think I like that new hero a lot. Maybe i should learn to play him. Only thing is I ALWAYS try to activate the shield with W and not E -.-.

Is Ember good at mid solo? Does he beat Invoker mid? Does tornado remove flameguard?

^ I haven't played him in a looooooong time, but I think Ember Spirit is one of those heroes which you send mid to get fast levels and who can punish his opponent hard only if they get into a really bad position.

I think he might be very good mid: With his Ult you have ultimate rune control, he does not have that much mana so he really profits from the bottle (get mana for that final Ult for the kill). His base dmg is good and the attack animation is good too. The movement speed is okay aswell. Not to forget that ganks on his lane will often be successful since he can jump all over the lane (stupid cast range of Ult) to follow up the stun or slow from the ganker with his root and kill the poor guy in a matter of seconds or making the first step by himself by rooting him. He still lives somehow? Another ult should do it.

Due to his freaking shield, he almost can't die early game. And later he has his Ult. So if he sees his lane is pushing and he doesn't feel comfortable, he can send one Ult somewhere behind his tower to escape immdiately shoud he get ganked. Since it only costs mana when u actually dash to it, only thing you lose is one charge.

His biggest weakness imo is him being melee and being fragile (1 armor) which can make him easy to harass very early in the game. But since you go for some regen and bottle... You shouldn't forget about little tricks like TPing back and immediately dash back with the Ult too.

I don't think Invoker has the best cards against him. He gets bursted down and can't hold him away, Embers shield is too good. But it's no magic immunity so CC works! Just no damage. Shadow Fiend should have nightmares from Ember going midlane (attack dmg + attack animation advantage).

But I'd never say these things must be true, with 0 games against human enemies. I just like him so far and overrate him probably. His stats gain sucks hard for example, but I spoke of the laning phase and not of his lategame carry potential (don't forget the W here though - Omnislash every few seconds!).

he is kinda like slark in which he is annoying to kill and dominates early to mid game BUT he doesnt scale all that well. Like all the spirits orchid kills him

i did 984 gpm actually my new record , diretide is nice

Ember needs a mustache and earth must change his name to rocky and add cosmetic box gauntlets.

lol @ Earth being OP. That he is certaintly not. The rocks may have nice silence/stun in theory, but they're not reliable, and no matter how wannabe pros act like it's not a big deal, it actually is. Just look at how Nyx fell off in the competitive after the impale nerf.

"Is Ember good at mid solo? Does he beat Invoker mid? Does tornado remove flameguard?"
Shouldn't you be answering those questions for us grim? lol

"With his Ult you have ultimate rune control"
By the time you have the ult, rune controlling is an after thought in any game beyond low-mid tier public matchmaking >.> around that time you're looking to either split push or 5 man doto

Can your enemy see the remnants? Havne't managed to play against one yet.

You must be kidding me, rune control doesn't matter at 5 minutes into the game?

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying its significance drops dramatically.

earth is pro in dota 1 you just never saw any good player use it and hes op yes

My first day playing against Ember. Jesus, I was lvl 8 when he was 6 but he still managed to get hella kills and catch up.

yes, enemies can see your remnants.
bottle, stick, arc, fury.
then fury fury fury fury. 5 furies and boots, and spam fist.

funny how most of you are talking about ember, ignoring the fact that earth is the way bigger threat if played properly :D

not necessarily.

@Papa het:
Exacly, i saw someone playing Earthspirit very nicely, what a fucking pain in the ass.

@papa: Which fact, there is no fact like this. Where do you want to have that "fact" from.
Earth is probably very strong if played right (on higher levels ridicolously low cd on the ball) but I'm not as much interested in him so I don't talk about him.