General DiscussionVenomancer Wards

venomancer's skill build is always subject to the game your playing, the role you are filling on your team, your team's line up, and the strategy you are implemented.

So the answer is yes.

1/1/1 is almost always a good idea with veno. From there, max your decisions based on the game.

http://dotabuff.com/topics/2014-02-21-yes-ooh-ah--a-havoc-badgers-guide-to-playing-the-toxic-one-

imo if playing support => max wards and sting
playing semi => 2-4-2

Thanks , he's actually quite fun to play considering his attack speed. So i guess i should just put my skill point depending on my role.

suprised you dont have a 2/2/1 build in there for agro maniac variant badger.

even if you max wards last, one point is great for vision.

The wards are borderline useless at level 1 where they die in one autoattack, and only serve to feed early gold and xp to your enemies. They become much more useful lategame/midgame. You need two points into the skill at the very least before you can even really start using it, though just being able to place a ward in front of a fleeing slowed opponent can make chases very easy.
Gale and Poison Sting scale incredibly well and maxing these first give you a lot of solo kill potential against a lot of heroes. Taking wards later is a small sacrifice to make in most cases, but if you need to defend towers early they will be valuable.

Maxing wards very early is how I mostly play him now. Not many heroes can deal with their crazy push in lane that early into the game and you are really hard to gank. Also, don't feed those wards, deny them as you would deny any other creep. Your opponents deserve 0 farm.

if you run push setup you should go 1-1-4, if you want to have heavy harass you go 1-4-1, if you want gank/roam go 4-1-1

free ward = borderline useless?

riiiiight. 1 point means you can throw them to block jukes and have vision of the jungle from sidelane. it is worth it.

also, 1-1-4 is great when your team knows what its doing. If you aren't above 4k, go 4-4-1.

Because the wards are free money to the opposing team. Just had a game where a Veno put wards out at lvl 1, and I was making mad cream.

Venos spamming level 1 wards are stupid.

I guess level 1 wards can be used as "observer wards' . Lasts for 40 seconds and its quite worth it with low mana cost , especially when you're playing support

The only good thing for lvl 1 plague wards is when theres SF on your team...

[SPOILER]
tell your mid sf that youre gonna give him free souls at the very start go to rosh pit, place ward and let rosh hit your ward and make SF deny it :3 free soul before first wave

Just please, if you are in lane support, please pick sting first. So tired of wasted gales that do zero dmg. Yes I know it slows but when you have no dmg to back it up what's the point?

^ its good for trilane though but ye sting is OP at lvl 1

@kiffy

exactly. No one is saying to spam level 1 wards in the lane. You put them outside the lane so you dont get fucked.

The sting slow is usually plenty and can keep being applied. Sting at lvl 2 does 90 dmg. 90! That's some major harass potential!

Mostly I go Q>W>E>E>E>R>E>W>W>W etc.

It allows you to take early towers create issues for those pushing. Varied success with it.

http://dotabuff.com/heroes/venomancer

no point putting points into wards until lv 10 :)

3-2-0-1 best build.