For them it doesn't matter which build they pick i guess, they are 6k afterall
Best TA player build phase boots
http://dotabuff.com/players/32995405/items?date=&faction=&hero=templar-assassin&lobby_type=&game_mode=&duration=&metric=used
Phase boots have more impact early game because of the raw damage and chasing capabilities. Power treads are better for lategame since the MS will boost your dmg output. Choose depending on what your team needs.
treads = attack speed, which is something ta loves early game. also tread switching helps u a lot. anyways, i have my own way to play ta with treads and midas and no blink, usually works 90% of the games for me. but i usually tend to farm a lot in early stages of the game and avoid ganks/fights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ThdNK-0n8
u should watch this tho
dragonfist is 7k and builds phase.. the thing about it is that it allows you to be really aggressive (as he lanes vs 5k players he can do that), while treads gives you more sustainability. I once talked to Zenoth and asked him his boots choices and he said he would go for Phase because he doesnt need that much attack speed as he only needs 2 or 3 hits to kill someone
Treads are almost always better because they are so versatile. Pretty much every bottle hero should go treads because of the advantage tread switching gives you. If you see a chance to snowball then you can go for phase.
Also watch some players like wagamama, wave, dragonfist and others and see how they play.
tks everyone for the comments. i have one more question. pls tell me when is the right time to build blink ? i know if i build blink i will pay 2050g for no stats, no damage, no hp or mp so i usually avoid building blink and make yasha and drum instead.but when i see pros like waga and dragonfist's build, i sometimes see them build blink ( but they still build drum and yasha for majority of time ). so can anyone explain when is the right time to build blink ?
in waga's video, he said we can build blink if we are far far ahead and can 1-2 shot every one and seeing killing potential everywhere.is that true?
yes. blink is a snowball / ganking item. it's not as good in teamfights where something like a drum or yasha would be more useful for the same price.
if you get blink when you are behind, you are not going to be able to quickly kill any of the enemy team with it, so the item becomes almost useless. if you're ahead, your stats will still be comparable to the opponetns even if you spend 2k gold on an item that doesn't give you any.
DragonFist
I like the treads drums yasha build
but i didnt try phase yet so i cant tell you
but seriously: Just check this guy replays http://dotabuff.com/players/86043885
biggest tryhard i have ever seen in Dota, i dont know how he has fun doing the same thing over and over ( picking ta going mid mutting all his team mates ) but oh well he is really good so ....
just go phases and swap into bots if game drags out late
there is very small difference between phases and threads threads is better farming wise phases is much better for chasing and killing also that raw damage early on really helps winning ur lane (considering refraction wasn't enuff to do so lol)
blink is situational on TA, reserved for snowballing, and its not necessary most of the times. its good for obvious reasons, but you don't have to spend 2150 on this if youre not snowballing hard.. with drums phase and yasha you have good chasing potential, add your traps and bang. blink allows you to blink in, meld, hit, trap and hit and run away with another kill on account.. it makes you engage faster.. but its not optimal when you can't kill your opps on 3 hits or less
i generally dont build it though, with the gold usually I go for a crystalis or start a desolator
i once saw a player build sb on TA in competitive games ( but they are just tier 2 SEA teams ).can sb considered good on TA ?
SB on TA is retarded imo..
Just go for the safest build..
Phase > Drum > Yasha or Deso ( if on Dire side )
> Manta, Daedalus, Bfly, BKB or w/e depending on your game..
Dagger is situational.. i've seen countless TA rush Blink Dagger and can't make anything out of it..
agree. sb is retarded on TA.
but how abt cuirass and bkb ? stats say that DragonFist build BKB 64 times and Cuirass 32 times in 358 games, while Wagamama build BKB 85 times and cuirass only 17 times in 385 games. As TA is a whacker, why the numbers of BKBs built is so low ? is that TA doesn't fear those disablers that much or they just don't drag the games long enough to the point every one needs a BKB ? and how abt cuirass ? it's just a situational or TA need daedelus and manta much more and cuirass is shit ?
and @FTY-, pls enlighten why you prefer rushing deso over yasha on Dire side, i really don't understand.
ty for every comments and links that you guys give me. i watched some pro moves and tried new things today. i'm now 12-5 with 2 impressive stomp 12-1-5 and 24-1-10 today lol
Because BKB is situational
Cuirass is naturally built on Str carries who lack of attack speeds and armors
Agi carries however already have high agi base and growth will eventually have enough attack speed and armor at higher level
As deso on dire side, i guess it's because dire has roshan advantage? with deso you can kill roshan very early.
Deso on dire because of the rosh advantage; get a good rune like dd and you can sneak rosh in pre 15 minutes.
zenoth mb cuz lower mmr games has lower skilled players therefore they don't contest ur ta that much and u can farm more and kill more and whatnot ? also win more games ?
im prettysure if i was playing on 3k accounts i would win atleast 90% of games instead of my current 57% where im mostly laning 6k+ mmr mids
mb im around top 50 by rating in my region and i've scrimmed with ta against the top few teams in my region and won unfavourable lanes easily?
you talk as if your account is alot higher rated than mine rofl
i routinely lane against the best people in the queue and you diss me like that tsk
ta don't have unfavourable matchups besides dazzle which is never mid
and darkseer that is never mid either
deso pre-14 min mark ? maybe i will try to do it tommorow.
as a clinkz, it's not too hard for me to complete an orchid at that time but it's clinkz, you just need RingB and brown boots and go straight for Orchid. As TA, i have to buy many laning and early games items like phase,bottle and drum... and my farming on TA is still quite bad.
but consistently get deso before 14 min is really impressive.mb i will watch and analyze your replays more Zenoth.
@Valkiss i watched sum of your replays, your slark is really good.and your TA is very good too afaik.i wish to see a matchup to know who is better zenoth or valkiss haha
when i have motivation to play majority of my heroes should be pretty good
cuz i usualy just fuck around ruining my games and watching russians cry pre ti2 when ta was meta i used to play hero like 5 times a day in scrims with my team
tell me after you lane viper, warlock, phoenix, or wisp + 1
viper is the easiest to lane out of these few heroes, which is saying something
me/zenoth/dragonfist/swiftending/wagamama etc
i dont like wagamamas ta build because he buys ptreads, midas etc (LOL?)
viper is the easiest shit to beat with TA, here is a replay on what to do "810446960"
the only hero i have problem against is razor and ember (vs ember i guess max meld? but i think 2 points in refraction is good too?)
its funny as fuck when people pick viper and lose their lane instantly, just insta pick TA and rape shit, thats the only way to improve
phase > ptreads because the extra dmg and you can get to your pray faster, only way to justify ptreads is to buy midas.
drums into yasha into deso into manta or whatever
i think i will enable my dotabuff when my smurf is 5.5k instead of 4.9k, i did some strong feeding/abandoning to 4.5k or something lol
zenoth look my last game vs viper
had pretty ez game maybe strugled abit laning phase lvl 5 to 7 and when they gank me with bat+ench+skywrath but viper is only scary for couple minutes and then hes worthless u can dodge his ulties with meld and refraction nulifies his hits
like i said viper is the easiest to lane of the lot
tell me when you win a decent razor/phoenix/warlock in lane
srsly tho how the fuck do you deal with razor and warlock
do you buy boots before bottle vs razor
phoenix isn't hard either was playing vs phoenix 2 games ago
2 bad my team was trash and enemies team had 5 man deathball so i couldnt win alone
razor yes u do buy boots level 1 and even then u wiill still get fucked most of the time cuz ta is rightclick based hero and razor steals the damage u cant outrun him if he gets pasive + link so u will get ur damage stolen majority of the time
but razor mid is so uncommon in pubs that u shouldnt even worry about it
and also there comes the 5v5 factor
u tell ur team to gank razor he gets ganked couple times and then u snowball out of control
or if lane is hard grab that spawning rune and go camp enemy supports fuck farming in lane
warlock mid is also not ttoo common u just need to have good positioning not to get fatal bonds with 5 creeps and do good rune control with haste or dd warlock should be ez kill
nigga i have met razor mid like 6 times on my smurf that i pick ta only and it has like 80 solo ranked games now
Fun fact, TA's overall have a 36% winrate vs both Viper and Venomancer.
Heroes that you should avoid playing TA as are probably Viper, Venomancer, Darkseer, Phoenix etc. I am guessing you want to keep your shield up for as long as possible without some asshole instantly removing it. Also please people stop buying orb vs TA it doesn't work.
> Dragonfist (literally mains the hero and does it non-stop) http://dotabuff.com/players/86043885
> Swiftending (same as above) http://dotabuff.com/players/86751819
> Bricks (old dota1 buddy I used to game with way back when) http://dotabuff.com/players/93447516
> Zenoth/Wave (both seem good but never watched)
> Wagamother (again can't vouch but seems good)
> Sneyking (seems decent) http://dotabuff.com/players/10366616
Wow warlock is counter to TA and TA counter Viper?
As 3k player i learn something new today.
I might learn how to play TA from now on.
I will download replay from each player and become 8k next week.
I'm still waiting dragonfist to play storm spirit again so i can download his replay..
i accidentally deleted mine
Viper still counters TA VERY well it just depends on the player and the decisions and item choices.
ta or viper doesnt counter each other, u could say qop counters puck if a good player is on qop.
warlocok however fucks over ta 100%
lol havoc
wagamama was known as best ta europe before ta became mainstream hero
thats like quite a few years ago
I have problems against bat :/, i mean not in mid but in general the fucking turn rate and slow makes me wanna cry
Any tips boys ? i guess you get blink ?
not picking ta would be best against batrider
or having team with long range disables like venge/earthshaker/mirana/void or smth like that to lock him down before he gets someone
There's no point in building ac on agi carries as butterfly is 800g more but has 60 dmg which will do a lot more dmg than the -armor on ac, more attack speed, armor difference is nothing cus butterfly has dodge. I think butterfly will negate more right click dmg than ac. The only reason to ever consider ac on a agi hero is if you have a ton of other heroes on the team who would benefit and are not natural ac carriers like if your team is a bunch of assholes who pick three agi carries lol. Otherwise request a str hero builds it.
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well, i recently played sum TA games with my smurf and it's my first experiences with this hero. i almost always go mid a spnd prefer phase over power tread but when i see some high-ranked people ( who is actually 6k players ) i can find they prefer tread over phase boot. afaik, phase boot's ms boost is better since TA is a hero with low-ranged attacks and low-ranged skill ( meld ) and if you can slow your opponent, raw damage and chasing power is wayyyy better than the attack speed. can someone enlighten me why good players love building treads so much ?
and TA, as i know, is a hero that need items and levels to gank efficiently, so i often start decrease my farm a little bit and looking for killing potential while hitting the creeps around the map at level 7/8 when i have traps, phase and bottle ( or maybe a little bit sooner if i can get a haste/dd rune and i have good disablers in my team ). can anyone tell me when is the good time to help my teammates ?
i'm going 9-5 on TA and never ever have a bad KDA on TA ( often 3 to 4 and in some games i stomped as killing 2x and die 1-3 times only ) but in almost everygame, i can see in my team there is at least a guy who sucks really hard ( i used to win a game 28-2 and all my team mates have negative K-D scores, all -3 and -4 ).if sometimes I get a feeder, I can call him sucker of scrub but if i have feeders in every single games, the problem must be me. Should i decrease my farming time and looking around to help my top and bot more ?
ye, ty for any idea and sorry for my bad baddd english