what the fuck im 5k ur not...after level 6? sure bud broods going to have 0 items at that point and axe is going to more likely that not have 2/3 of a blink because that lane is freefarm until level 6, and theres no way a brood with no items can manfight an axe even with R
and i see a shit ton of losses to those heros too so idk why ur pulling links
No you are wrong Brood will have basi and poor mans shield at least, if not more. for 5-6 min. Brood will have like 15 cs while Axe will have 25-30 and Axe wont do shit with Tranq boots vs 6 lvl brood. He won`t farm vanguard that fast or blink dagger and will just die 1v1 and there Brood snowball begins every time Axe try to come back to lane.
i just tryed this, man i solo killed a jugg + with doctor plus jugg again in 1min after lvl6 too stronk , but i didnt knew what to build after yasha so i saved a fuck ton of money while my zeus carried me http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/948906992, felt i had no mana all time
^the item build makes no sense whatsoever, Rob to sustain a spammable q/ult/moving webs is ridiculous
and bogi basi and a pms is hardly enough to manfight an axe whos q makes ur lifesteal steal like 5 damage for 3 seconds while you die next to the creepwave, then u get dunked because 2 or 3 spins is 3/4 of ur hp
u can literally not TOUCh the creepwave against axe till level 6 without taking 1-2 spins to the face. and without items (Treads) u cant manfight axe at all even with ur r lmao
Do you have a trick for laning vs Zeus? All I could do was switch lanes vs after they swapped the pwned BH+Earthshaker for Zeus+Earthshaker. He can melt me with his W.
Apart from that and not knowing what to do once I've crushed my lane it still works great...
theres no way for zeus to sustain removing broodlings, it costs him ~200-300 mana to remove one set, against a soul ring hero. and this on top of the fact that he cant always chain lightning (things go invis) and he needs it to cs
In ranked wouldent go for rad, but in pubs can afford to 1 v 1 brood, with that right click dmg and sentrys, no reason to insult. Can just say it dsnt work as well as this heroes or its not that good.
and he has a similar mindset (fight) but he just does it with q even against aoe. He picks up a casual Oov which makes sense because no one is running away with web ms + oov and the q also provides a very solid nuke (the spiderlings are good but I feel the nuke is even better).
Even against AoE counters you can use Spiderling to farm jungle or farm behind the tower, so there is no reason to not upgrade your best skill.
If you are 1vs1 against Axe, Timber, Tide, Sand King, DS you can trade farm by farming behind the tower so you both get full creep wave and you without missing a single last hit.
Fun build but void really gave me trouble, the second void gets MoM it feels like a free kill on brood whenever chrono is up, even if brood hits him with the miss before chrono, the debuff only lasts for 2 seconds
Went 3-1 in low prio and 1-1 in ranked with this build Lol
Oh yeah an Omni/slark lane absolutely destroyed me in my last brood game. Had a ton of trouble picking up CS
The moment you cannot kill anyone with this build you are bound to be useless, with spiders you have atleast the chance to trade even and eventually even dodge and go to jungle and such.
That build was only consistent at the change where Brood had permaphase + old midas
If you get it around 14 minutes sure will be advisable, otherwise, I recommend you to buy the pieces of Necronomicon or Orchid or something else you judge necessary.
Radiance is advisable if you want a flash farm, same idea of Battlefury on Anti Mage.
If you know you're laning against lion/pa/void/sk/ss why not just build spiderlings. A good player changes their build to what the game calls for.
For those wondering why Manta: it purges dust. No more getting ganked... EVER AGAIN
For the guy who thinks Axe would win 1v1 vs Brood: LOL
bogi please delete this thread. as a fellow brood player i'd rather not have any attention focused on her.
It is not about win a lane against Axe, it is about trading farm. You can use spiderling to farm anywhere, jungle, behind tower, especially when you get level 4...
Also with you have soul ring you can bother him with your nuke.
I see what you're saying now. Like you I strongly prefer maxing spiderlings for the same reasons. However when I was relatively new to Brood (and maybe i still am) I tried building incapacitating bite & insatiable hunger lvl 6. I haven't done it in a long time, but it is surprisingly strong. I remember tower diving at lvl 6 without a care in the world once insatiable hunger was up.
I'll partially agree with you, but I'd still wager lvl 6 Brood vs lvl 6 Axe isn't as one sided as you say, especially if Axe is rushing a non-stat item like blink.
The QBlade helps with last-hitting a lot, while the shield helps with creep aggro. Whatever damage you get from anywhere else is healed by your web. Within 2 minutes, I already have Poor Man's Shield, which greatly increases my damage. And in another 2 minutes comes Basilius for even more damage. Then blades, blades, boots. It's really good for early game dominance and kills, with the downside being she can't push the towers for shit. I mean, obviously it's a non-push build that may confuse the enemy team. Though, I'm pretty damned sure you can dominate the lane with kills AND destroy the tower with spiderlings build. You just have to know how to micro the broodlings.
Offlane many times is about playing on limit of your HP when you try to screw up enemy's lane control. So you need another source of regen to rever quickly mainly at level 1 and 2 when you haven't any potencial and you desperately need XP.
And at level 3+ focus fire on you it means free way to spiderlings.
^You could break the basilius into soul ring
interesting. would try these. thanks!
Bogi is my idol <3
who needs soul ring when you aren't spamming spiders?
I'm still preferring Spiderlings, even against AoE counters, I can't see a reason to not do it.
what the fuck im 5k ur not...after level 6? sure bud broods going to have 0 items at that point and axe is going to more likely that not have 2/3 of a blink because that lane is freefarm until level 6, and theres no way a brood with no items can manfight an axe even with R
and i see a shit ton of losses to those heros too so idk why ur pulling links
No you are wrong Brood will have basi and poor mans shield at least, if not more. for 5-6 min. Brood will have like 15 cs while Axe will have 25-30 and Axe wont do shit with Tranq boots vs 6 lvl brood. He won`t farm vanguard that fast or blink dagger and will just die 1v1 and there Brood snowball begins every time Axe try to come back to lane.
i just tryed this, man i solo killed a jugg + with doctor plus jugg again in 1min after lvl6 too stronk , but i didnt knew what to build after yasha so i saved a fuck ton of money while my zeus carried me http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/948906992, felt i had no mana all time
^the item build makes no sense whatsoever, Rob to sustain a spammable q/ult/moving webs is ridiculous
and bogi basi and a pms is hardly enough to manfight an axe whos q makes ur lifesteal steal like 5 damage for 3 seconds while you die next to the creepwave, then u get dunked because 2 or 3 spins is 3/4 of ur hp
u can literally not TOUCh the creepwave against axe till level 6 without taking 1-2 spins to the face. and without items (Treads) u cant manfight axe at all even with ur r lmao
yikes
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/948723154 Tried didnt work
Last pick DK and dual lane brood sub 4k logics
real question is how ur lowest in HD 3rd in td and 0-8
Well the answer is simple really brood isnt really my hero :D also multicast (2x) + ignite is a bitch
oh well
Do you have a trick for laning vs Zeus? All I could do was switch lanes vs after they swapped the pwned BH+Earthshaker for Zeus+Earthshaker. He can melt me with his W.
Apart from that and not knowing what to do once I've crushed my lane it still works great...
u just send ur spiders after him and afk with ur hero he dies or something
Except I don't have any spiders with this build and he can just farm them spiders with his Q no?
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/952450763
Freaking brilliant build lol, thanks
theres no way for zeus to sustain removing broodlings, it costs him ~200-300 mana to remove one set, against a soul ring hero. and this on top of the fact that he cant always chain lightning (things go invis) and he needs it to cs
when there is brood on enemy side, I always pick heroes like cent and get radiance, then 1 v 1 brood all day getting moneys.
Pick Centaur to make radiance? I see why you are 3700 -
Counters for Brood are Batrider,Void,Slark,Lion and etc. not Centaur
In ranked wouldent go for rad, but in pubs can afford to 1 v 1 brood, with that right click dmg and sentrys, no reason to insult. Can just say it dsnt work as well as this heroes or its not that good.
Where can I see you play brood?
leshrac is quite good against brood as well, any roaming duo, earthshaker etc
YNIT check this game : http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/940644987
download a replay in a game and watch
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nice dude.... i like the build. It worked great. had to try it out in unranked first but I went 11/1/10. good game hommie
Nice build but I watched this player: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/32228496
and he has a similar mindset (fight) but he just does it with q even against aoe. He picks up a casual Oov which makes sense because no one is running away with web ms + oov and the q also provides a very solid nuke (the spiderlings are good but I feel the nuke is even better).
Even against AoE counters you can use Spiderling to farm jungle or farm behind the tower, so there is no reason to not upgrade your best skill.
If you are 1vs1 against Axe, Timber, Tide, Sand King, DS you can trade farm by farming behind the tower so you both get full creep wave and you without missing a single last hit.
Fun build but void really gave me trouble, the second void gets MoM it feels like a free kill on brood whenever chrono is up, even if brood hits him with the miss before chrono, the debuff only lasts for 2 seconds
Went 3-1 in low prio and 1-1 in ranked with this build Lol
Oh yeah an Omni/slark lane absolutely destroyed me in my last brood game. Had a ton of trouble picking up CS
The moment you cannot kill anyone with this build you are bound to be useless, with spiders you have atleast the chance to trade even and eventually even dodge and go to jungle and such.
That build was only consistent at the change where Brood had permaphase + old midas
@Niceboat
Radiance build adviseable for ranked ?
bogi where can I read your thread about banning wave?
@Iwin4Arka
If you get it around 14 minutes sure will be advisable, otherwise, I recommend you to buy the pieces of Necronomicon or Orchid or something else you judge necessary.
Radiance is advisable if you want a flash farm, same idea of Battlefury on Anti Mage.
@N1ceb0at
sad life
rofl
I remember playing against you only one time rsrsrsrs.
"4.5k" = close to 5k
only on bogi's wonderland lol
I change my nick a lot so it's hard to notice me
If you know you're laning against lion/pa/void/sk/ss why not just build spiderlings. A good player changes their build to what the game calls for.
For those wondering why Manta: it purges dust. No more getting ganked... EVER AGAIN
For the guy who thinks Axe would win 1v1 vs Brood: LOL
bogi please delete this thread. as a fellow brood player i'd rather not have any attention focused on her.
normal skill xD
logical fallacy XDDDD
@My banana
It is not about win a lane against Axe, it is about trading farm. You can use spiderling to farm anywhere, jungle, behind tower, especially when you get level 4...
Also with you have soul ring you can bother him with your nuke.
@N1ceb0at
I see what you're saying now. Like you I strongly prefer maxing spiderlings for the same reasons. However when I was relatively new to Brood (and maybe i still am) I tried building incapacitating bite & insatiable hunger lvl 6. I haven't done it in a long time, but it is surprisingly strong. I remember tower diving at lvl 6 without a care in the world once insatiable hunger was up.
I'll partially agree with you, but I'd still wager lvl 6 Brood vs lvl 6 Axe isn't as one sided as you say, especially if Axe is rushing a non-stat item like blink.
YNIT You can not Jason obviosly deleted that thread
weaver radiance, easy life
so what use does this build have after 10 minutes again guys
and if ur playing against competent support players u wont have any impact the entire game (unless ur safelaning brood...?)
I tried this build, and I like it so far.
Quelling Blade
Shield
GG Branch x3
Dafuq do you need tangoes for?
The QBlade helps with last-hitting a lot, while the shield helps with creep aggro. Whatever damage you get from anywhere else is healed by your web. Within 2 minutes, I already have Poor Man's Shield, which greatly increases my damage. And in another 2 minutes comes Basilius for even more damage. Then blades, blades, boots. It's really good for early game dominance and kills, with the downside being she can't push the towers for shit. I mean, obviously it's a non-push build that may confuse the enemy team. Though, I'm pretty damned sure you can dominate the lane with kills AND destroy the tower with spiderlings build. You just have to know how to micro the broodlings.
Overall, I give this starting build a thumbs up.
Anyone have like a bug where you can't see the middle of the webs? first game it's happened and it's really screwing me up
Offlane many times is about playing on limit of your HP when you try to screw up enemy's lane control. So you need another source of regen to rever quickly mainly at level 1 and 2 when you haven't any potencial and you desperately need XP.
And at level 3+ focus fire on you it means free way to spiderlings.