General Discussiontony +4

just go weaver aghs -> ez double repel

The thing about the alch aghanim's, is that rushing a scepter will destroy alch's early game. Sure, having heros like Luna, nature's prophet, or wraith King that usually don't get ags because of higher priotity items can be justified in getting aghanim's much later, from an alch with farming items and 1k gpm in the jungle. However, tiny needs that tree ASAP so he can have as much impact as possible. Him paying for it will let alch farm his maelstrom, battlefury, Midas, and then get everyone else their ags upgrade. Giving tiny the aghanim's at a good timing would cripple alch's farm and make him have a much lesser game impact. And by the time tiny has a need for another slot, alch can give him an ags in two minutes instead of 20. Still, 8 slotted tiny with moon shard and alch ags, crits, heart, AC, upgraded BOT's and whatever else you need...

That's some scary shit.

So 4 melee + 1 range for laning phase. Farm might not be super easy.

^ im trolling but these lanes can work , alch offlane tiny wisp mid mag and omni safelane , or alch omni safe mag offlane or alch mag safe omni off

Tiny is already OP. I think he might be first pick/ban material in 6.84, he needed nerfs & ice even buffed him. With Wisp in the current patch he already was much more scary than Sniper/Troll. In 6.84 if they let u draft Wisp+Tiny+Alchemist I don't see how u can lose. I would also like to see Tiny's win-rate in 6.83 when drafted with Magnus, IO. Broken hero, who needs nerfs not buffs.

I'll say this nothing like that shocking moment on test server you pick alch/Greevils greed grab first rune collect 400g like seriously wtf.

Have you seen the game where Kuroky bought a 13 min Heart on Ursa? Yeah, they almost fucking lost that game. This is like that, expect worse because you actually have only 1 farmed hero while Secret had 2-3. It's great on paper but in practice it ain't so useful.

how's tiny op? His armor stun only works inside a certain range, he has horrible base armor, huge mana issues. Yes farmed he is a beast but just shut him down early, he doesn't farm as well as many other carries until the mid game.