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Welt aus Eis

    I wanted EG to lose because I wanted EG vs secret in lower bracket

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      Mekarazium
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        Welt aus Eis

          CDEC seems like the best team so far, EG seems solid but not that much

          Beserker786

            :-) Same was said about Ehome.. Then EG whipped it after being 1-0 down...

            Welt aus Eis

              ehome didnt seem to be close as strong as CDEC, CDEC just fucking schooled LGD

              Beserker786

                :-) they chose with strongest hero being Sumail in the draft, kind of expecting him to win mid to ensure the game. If he lost, they all lost, and that's stress, though he pulled it through, making smart decisions with good execution. He dived twice and died, though not before he made an impact worthy of taking the most effect in the game I feel. So then think he is 16, and his first TI, compared to his competition and know, you are being a hater :-)

                Mekarazium
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                  Beserker786

                    :-D tnx for the impending loons mek... yeah, puppey decided a final should be played in the final! :-)

                    Pom Pom 🍕

                      It's interesting how this ti has turned. Before group stages the most favoured were secret eg and vg. Then after group stages LGD showed their dominance while VG ended up in loser bracket. And Secret being stomped by ehome and almost eliminated by IG was very unexpected by everyone. Then The dominating team from group stages got destroyed by CDEC, who was not really a favoured team either.

                      npc
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                        EmptyJar

                          and eg lost a game vs ehome.
                          OH NO PAST RESULTS MATTER. NOT.
                          TI meta changed way too many times from the groupstages that it's gonna be a completely different matchup

                          Beserker786

                            yeah, and I feel EG have quite a few strats to use. they're always coming up with unexpected drafts that seem to work fantastic after we see it. Going against the grain and reaping the reward when the other teams cant deal with it. They read the other teams decisions well and adapt. That's quite the edge they have as a team that works well together.

                            Crudude

                              So EG is the only unbeaten team left now (Ehome, Secret, LGD & EG were unbeaten going into main event)

                              the realm's delight


                                id like to bet some on vg but rly fuck mvp

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                                BenaoLifedancer

                                  i dont have balls to bet anymore... anyone can win

                                  Trodlabundin

                                    MVP, let my first bet be a succes :smile:

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                                    Miku Plays

                                      Kphii carry my bets please :D

                                      Vaikiss`742.

                                        isn't that how betting works anything can win u bet on smething and if u wins u win and if they lose u lose thats why its betting lmao

                                        BenaoLifedancer

                                          ive been betting since i was around 7. You can bet unrealiably, it is fun too bu if you really want to win you analyze shit and try to get an edge and then see if the return is worth the investment! I feel like i really can't predict games anymore and so i don't find betting fun, no different than playing "lotto" so instead i just focus on enjoying the games.

                                          If i wanted to bet for fun and considering teams are so even, i'd bet for the ones with the highest return or bet in hopes it makes a difference in a teams performance, where the bet acts ass a cheering towards them.

                                          Hopeless

                                            Man. That Suma1l kid sure is awful /s

                                            BenaoLifedancer

                                              im sorry, went to sleep as soon as game 2 started, i wanted them to turn it around despite my dislike og sumail and was slightly happy when i woke up and saw that they made it to top 3 like last year :)

                                              so how did sumail play?

                                              Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                Holy shit LGD, this is the first time ever they actually lost to CDEC. And it's a 2-0 as well. Though that first game was their's to take. I hope CDEC wins it all at this point because it would make a great story. Also go go VP.

                                                Trodlabundin

                                                  Sumail carry EG all the way to third place, and you still believe someone 4 players will carry they way there with their mid player being "bad"

                                                  xd HE WAS FANTATISC ELOL

                                                  BenaoLifedancer

                                                    so what did he do tell me :B. Objectivity pls

                                                    Trodlabundin

                                                      I was up for like 30hours staright so I had to sleep, didn't get to watch the game. Just circlejerking

                                                      Hopeless

                                                        Sumail curbstomped in game three and basically won EG the game with windrunner mid.

                                                        He won mid hard early. He didn't play "a perfect game" but he made damn sure than any small mistakes he made or any of his dives that result in deaths didn't affect his team mates. That is what stood out the most for me.

                                                        when they were trying to end high ground and end the game. He died on two of the pushes because EHOME knew that his damage was the key, and he didn't have bkb or null. But the two times they took him down, he played it in such a way that the rest of EG could just reset and escape and wait for Rosh.

                                                        his shackles were also really on point.

                                                        He did aghs first, but then got blink into orchid and then deadalus

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                                                        BenaoLifedancer

                                                          props to sumail then gg wp
                                                          i see he shit on cty's razor and storm

                                                          Hopeless

                                                            ^
                                                            his ember was good vs CTY's storm and he did get a solo kill on him mid once on the second kill.

                                                            But to be fair to cty, AUI's techies got first blood with sumail mid first against CTY, and the third kill against CTY was another techies kill.

                                                            aui played insane mid games against EHOME with techies.

                                                            BenaoLifedancer

                                                              can you explain the lack of farm on pl? and why he couldnt turn the game around?

                                                              nvm i watched the highlights, EHOME jsut throwing hard they had an ez win but fucked around, still glad for EG

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                                                              Hopeless

                                                                I attributed the lack of farm to pressure applied by the EG rotations. BH and SB doing what they do best.

                                                                Suma1l got a solo kill on PL.

                                                                btw that highlight kinda sucks. it skips like 10 kills. it goes from a 2/2 score to 3/10. Wtf is that?

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                                                                BenaoLifedancer

                                                                  nah fucking pl just fucking around, getting caught up on shit, hada enough vision to not get caught, went fucking travel when he has eenough slot to go for treads+tp, useless pl not hitting fast enough by going for that and wastin 2k gold, etc. he was useless every fight when he couldve deffed almost alone just spamming spear with a treads as the build. He was dead in the fight mid they won and late and the gg push bot, he couldve even rushed and mkb realizing the bad position he was in, instead of manta and just soloed wr every push instance but nooooo, lets get travels and a manta that will do nothing

                                                                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                    Benao is flaming every team that loses.

                                                                    Beserker786

                                                                      The PL went boots of travel instead of finishing his diffusal, then proceeded to die delaying his diffusal even more which never helped him. When he did get his farm, it was quite late, and EG had the momentum for pushing and diving for pickoffs high ground. Also, fear was constantly emptying their jungle, his cs highest in the game. made it hard for them to farm.

                                                                      BenaoLifedancer

                                                                        pl just fucked up they shouldve won. if only he wouldve built himself correctly this game wouldve been suuuuper fun. Imagine pl treads aquilla drums diffusal yyasha mkb, money which he HAD ACCESS to. omfg i just checked and he maxed the fuckinghasteinstead of doppleganger like wtf how fuckign stupid can people be, so hard to play defensivev ywhen youære getting your ass fucking kicked?'

                                                                        thats why i like fear so much and im glad they won :p. oerfect itemization and progress

                                                                        the realm's delight

                                                                          lmao

                                                                          BenaoLifedancer

                                                                            wouldve been fun to see cdec vs ehome in the winner bracket finals like in the china qualifiers :D

                                                                            Born

                                                                              friend put a bet on cdec before ti started. odds at 1-200.
                                                                              who would have known..

                                                                              BenaoLifedancer

                                                                                looooooooool
                                                                                i put one on mvp phx :D 1-701 :D

                                                                                Hopeless

                                                                                  agresiif went BoTs before diffusal like 3 times so far. It works or it doesn't.

                                                                                  Trodlabundin

                                                                                    I didnt watch thoes highlgihts, although I'm sure you're kinda tunnelvisioning in the sense you believe enemies sees as much as you do when u spectate. It's a totally different story to be in the game, and watch the game whereas you can see everything that happens.

                                                                                    Trodlabundin

                                                                                      @Concede

                                                                                      Everything either works or not lol hehe sometimes it kinda works and kinda doesn't work too though lol xd haha kappa

                                                                                      TripleSteal-

                                                                                        ^can i use this one as copypasta in all the dota-mechanics-related threads on dotabuff later on?

                                                                                        its such a deep insight, much wise, wow

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                                                                                        Quick maffs

                                                                                          " I have learned my lesson "

                                                                                          Hahhahahahahahaah sorry shred i cant stop laughing man

                                                                                          NextStep ®

                                                                                            Benao you should try to join TI6 or be a coach or something.
                                                                                            Don't waste your talent man.

                                                                                            TripleSteal-

                                                                                              idk what hw was talking about, but most probably it was not an english lesson

                                                                                              Dire Wolf

                                                                                                I went to bed before third game, and while second game was pretty much about that techies pick, sumail played it perfectly. Idk if he spanks razor mid like that without techies two suicide assists but his play was pretty unbelievable after that, he really snowballed. At one point he dove razor, razor drained all his dmg and he killed him off with a remnent + fire shield, it was pretty incredible to realize you have the magic dmg for that and still get out alive.

                                                                                                CDEC did look amazing vs LGD but idk. They seem to surprise people with their plays and other team doesn't adjust. I'd probably just band dark seer against them at this point and go from there. Their team fight centered around dark seer is doing really well. Their 2nd match vs LGD where Xz vacuumed ember back up the wall as he was escape, that was quite a play. But EG seems to adjust better than the other teams so I'd still pick them.

                                                                                                Why would you want EG to beat secret in the lower bracket, why not in the grand finals?

                                                                                                Welt aus Eis

                                                                                                  ^ because I dont think they will both make it to the grand finals

                                                                                                  Mekarazium
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