General DiscussionHow does Outworld stand in the current meta?

he is like an outhouse decorator

PL might get countered by AoE, but OD is way more reliably countered by mana burn. He's mostly food atm.

everything kills od right now, he's like sniper with less range and no shrapnel. Does that actually sound playable?

wat do u mean by blood is boringh as fuck

he is pretty weak, one of the list of 10 Best Heroes To Pick if You Want to Give Mmr Away

He is a shittier shadow fiend

he feeds if he gets picked

Outworld is decent actually, Mileena, Kitana, Reptile and all that shit come from there. Death of Shao Kahn was obviously a nerf, but Kotal Kahn is here to save the day.

incoming smaug essay on the State of the Outworld, followed by complaints about being targeted and legal threats.

So he's generally a poor pick even though his Q and R counter illusions?

You KNOW a meta is fucked up when a potential counter to a hero is irrelevant.

http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/phantom-lancer/matchups

0.02% advantage for PL. You could say they are on par as far as pub play goes. I still don't think OD is nearly as useful as phantom lancer is. PL will push better, will wreck the whole team easier, whether they band together or are spaced out, he'll build to be much tankier where OD stacks int, OD has no natural escape mechanism and is hard countered by magic immunity, etc. So even though the matchup might be kinda even, PL is just a better hero atm.

I was thinking about support OD, as a counter to Lesbian Commander, while providing free mana regen for allies. May work... probably...

where's smaug when you need him

OD need mid

OD is mid hero who cant flash farm

Lose your mid, lost your game

He's one of the best mid heroes in the game. He can completely shut down any mid hero with imprisonment. He has a strong AoE ulti as well, not many other carries do.