General DiscussionSmurfing Experiment Done!

What is this.

is this the thread where people are supposed to ask about "what will my mmr be" TriHard

Nope :) just some post to be based on. (Not like those "what will my mmr be" haha)

screw u, fking smurf

u think u can hold ur mmr or r u gonna drop now?

Is this a bragging thread or something, "see I didn't deserve to be in that shit tier!!!" or something? I think everyone already realizes that you can climb in normal matchmaking from your last account and then start calibration matches at a higher tier than your previous hence everyone "smurfing".

I would love to see more progress as you play 1k above your original rating though, will you keep updating this thread?

HeyGuys

I must say this calibration looks quite odd.

Your first 3 games, all loses and none with impressive stats lead the calibration to increase your MMR by 4 times the typical amount for winning the game. Perhaps the 4th loss did cause your MMR to drop.

Your 5th game, a win with strong stats does not appear to increase MMR.

the listed stats are not the only ones to affect your mmr during calibration, it's a bit more multi-dimensional

As far as I know Valve has declined to specify precisely what stats are considered in calibration. But can you identify anything from this game that would make you think it deserves a 100 MMR gain from a lost game?

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1792467832

KDA is lower than the global average, low for the game, average for the losing team. The xp and gpm are below average. The tower dmg is way below average. Hero dmg is low. Denies are low... maybe he got far more than engima's average of 3 wards/ game? But we can't see that stat. There is really no reason why this game should gain MMR.

More reborn glitches in the matrix?

^none of listed stats have a consistent positive correlation with how good you performed, neither with how skilled as a player you are. idk what kind of statistics valve currently uses to estimate ur performance, but from what ive seen recently, it works pretty much fine.

It could be that they don't do anything with the stats at all unless they show you are vastly over or under performing. But even so how do you gain 100 MMR for a loss?

Whatever the case, the real test is whether he can hold that MMR over time or will he lose a lot of ranked games in next 100 games or so.

I think the real key to his high calibration MMR are these two games. The very first games he played in Normal.

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1621134073
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1621490414

With Tinker KDA of 55-2-20 for these games. That's the sort of performance I would expect an anti-smurf to identify and jump up in MMR.

And the very next game, he skips straight into Very High. Probably he has moved very little in MMR since that point.

in calibration, both in nmm and rmm, you gain/lose pts basing on how well you performed (relative to your role and your teammates), and it doesnt rly matter whether u won or lost. however, as i alrdy said, i got 0 clue how is your performanced currently measured and what stats are used.

yea, it would be interesting to see this guy's further success. to be really honest, i dont believe he'll be able to hold his mmr at this level.

calibration is broken as fuck, i went 10-0 with the best stats every game and got 4480.

so many bitter here. lellelelel

may i ask how many games did it take till u get to lvl 50? xD

Isnt the 100 point rise in MMR after the loss due to the average of his team mates, and not a rise in his own MMR, considering he was still calibrating? Idk.

^it is possible, but it could happen w/o it as well. that's how calibration works.

ur first ranked game will be equal in mmr to your unranked. This means your numbers are extremely false.

There's no way your unranked mmr is 4300mmr when you lose and gain mmr. I did this 3'4 weeeks ago or something.

why cant his unranked mmr be 4.3?

it can, it just doesn't make sense his unranked is 4,3 and lose -> go up in mmr

im repeating myself so much recently

in calibration, both in nmm and rmm, you gain/lose pts basing on how well you performed (relative to your role and your teammates), and it doesnt rly matter whether u won or lost. however, as i alrdy said, i got 0 clue how is your performanced currently measured and what stats are used.

for example, if u smurf and ur first game will be in high skill bracket for some reason, and ur whole team will feed non stop on purpose, while u go 11-1-3 800 gpm as antimage, and u still lose game - then ur next game will be in vhs.
its easy to see how it works by looking through the first matches of an ccount which is in between vhs and hs - the mmr change doesnt correlate wi wins/losses.

ur are wrong fuckin retard

i might be :D

but as a believerboy u gotta believe, eh?

actually, the fact that wins and losses have low impact during ur calibration is kind of a common knowledge, as far as i thought. at least, all the boosters i saw streaming on twitch know it.

U AHVE NO CLUE WTF U TALKIN ABOUT SO KEEP UR KMOUT H SHUT THX

okay plz no flamerino im a sensitive weaboo

I will keep an update on this if i can hold my MMR. So far I went 1-1. :3

I won 7/10 calibration games and got calibrated @ 1200.

But I sucked really bad either way.

It's an So called Inverse problem youre trying to solve with 1 atempt it basically shows nothing.

its like saying "hey i played the lotery 1 time and won only 15 bucks"

It does not show any meaningfull information in regards to how the system works.

^Actually i'm planning to do a new account and see if what factors really are involved. Even I abandoned 3 games because of PC problems, yeah. (So far, 2-2)

Yow Original Poster nobody wants to suck your nutsack you peeenoise shitstain

peenoise again fuck this word mane

:3 *woof woof

Ur stats are quite impressive sincer ur first game !

Hmm, seems like you played some high skill ranked games recently.

and before that u had few VHS games, so I guess u lied about calibration in the first place. It seems like you calibrated around 3700-3800.

or you are not talking aboit this acc?

^ScareCrow thank you!

@Allu
Those Normal Skills and High Skills games, I'm with a party. :) when I solo, I get Very High.

Ah that makes sense

by the way
it doesn't have to mean that when AVERAGE mmr goes up after loss, your own mmr goes up too
it might not be the case but there's difference between average mmr of your team and your own hidden mmr

^ yeah, my friends proved that your mmr in your last 5 games in calibration will not be moving anymore.

Question , how do you get these specifics? Like do you use console or a special website?

On an unrelated note.. You are super cute =)

^you can find all this data in your dbuff profile

Please dont listen to this nonsense it is missleading and wrong. If you do care for some reason and want to know search and you will find.