^expect this guy to actually tp to countergank when people dive you. it's actually insane how TP is almost your #1 item
Bottle?!?! who the fuck has bottle in their inventory when game ends? Oh I guess a lot of tinker matches.
Yes but I always get TP scroll all the time, so I always end with one. Unless I get travel boots.
If you're six slotted you can't end the game with a tp scroll, you end it with boots of travel, that's why most people who are decent at farming have all slots maxed out and only have a TP if they aren't six slotted, because at that point they are either saving for buyback and buying BoTs if needed.
PT
TP
AGS
BKB
AB
Looks like a solid and efficient top 5 items pick, props on tp being top 2.
@Bad Intentions
Aghanim : mostly a win win item
S&Y : U are so much interested in right click builds as carries?
IDK but the items kinda lack impact to me, and judging from your winrate it's probably because you can't win enough to get better items or you're just stuck with the support role.. But even so, TP only comes in at 6th. If you're smurfing then that's just a terrible smurf TBH
Retards not realising it only shows items that are at the end of the game. So people who have tps in their top 3 are not playing cores. Literally morons talking here.
U cant be six slotted all the time man :] u gotta have dem extra tp for emergency situations :]
Town Portal Scroll 12
8.33%
0.98
nope. simply nope. you only have tps in your inventory if you lose. and it wil only be in your most picked up items if you lose majority of your games. delusional 3ks gonna be delusional
^cancer
nope. simply nope. you only have tps in your inventory if you lose. and it wil only be in your most picked up items if you lose majority of your games. delusional 3ks gonna be delusional
This is actually wrong, and can easily be proven to be wrong :)
disproven how?
the thing is, if you're winning and you're in enemy base, most of the time you will just have some items for either final push or you'll be 6slotted anyway while farming their fountain unless they suddenly decide to go afk.
just stop spouting shit
disproven how?
By statistics.
For example, I have 56% winrate, TP is my #3 item. But fuck me, right, let's get deeper, you said this:
and it wil only be in your most picked up items if you lose majority of your games.
But the reality is, TP is one of the few items that EVERY HERO uses in every game, so you'll buy tons of them every game unless you are playing an early bots hero, and you'll win and lose a lot of games with tp in your inventory due to this, compared to having some other specific item in your inventory. And for a TP to get its place among the 6 most often owned items at the end of the game, there's barely any competition because the other hundred+ items are not built on every hero or bought every game. Do you get it now?
You also said:
Retards not realising it only shows items that are at the end of the game. So people who have tps in their top 3 are not playing cores. Literally morons talking here.
So are you saying that Waga is a 2k scrub with sub 50% winrate? Because he also has TP as his third most owned item at the end of the game: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/32995405/matches
Or how about Badman, who spams an ultra mobile hero who has less of a need for a TP most of the time, having it as his 6th most purchased item? http://www.dotabuff.com/players/91735466/matches Also note he has > 50% winrate and highest MMR in existence atm.
Also, this boils down to a player's playstyle as well, even if you are running over your enemies really early, some people will have only 4 items at that stage, and still have a TP that they don't necessarily need, just as a form of a safety measure, some will not, but ultimately it won't matter if your team is 20-0.
So you might want to do some research before theorycrafting something that actually has nothing to do with reality. There are some games where you've had a free slot but no TP, and you'd not lose anything by having a TP in your inventory, but could potentially gain something:
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2139981828
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2126028591
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2125698392
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2125595409
The only exception to this rule is potential gems and rapiers people might drop so that you'd require a free slot, but in reality, whether you put a TP in that free slot or not doesn't really matter, yet it still influences your personal statistics, and your playstyle is to not have a TP if you're pushing the enemy base and rolling over the enemy team, which is fine, but not that relevant either way.
Disproven by all my won games.
You don't need 6 items when you have 2 rapiers!!!!
Yup, definitely off yourself.
waga: Town Portal Scroll 1,760
43.69%
3.35
badman: Town Portal Scroll 859
43.89%
2.60
thanks for posting links to their profiles where info is literally a refutation to your whole post. you're fucking delusional.
and badmans tp is like in top 10 only
you're not only delusional, but you're providing stats and saying they aren't what they are. how fucking huge cognitive dissonance can get here?
waga: Town Portal Scroll 1,760
43.69%
3.35
badman: Town Portal Scroll 859
43.89%
2.60
thanks for posting links to their profiles where info is literally a refutation to your whole post. you're fucking delusional.
You said people who have TP in their top items lose most games, that's not correct, they have >50% winrate. I refuted it with a pretty obvious point that despite the TP winrate, it ends up being one of the most often had items at the end of the game just because it's so common. You didn't say that they lose most games WITH A TP IN THEIR INVENTORY (which is obviously the case for both Badman and Waga), but that they lose most games in general, since you didn't specify.
Remember what you said:
nope. simply nope. you only have tps in your inventory if you lose.
This is obviously wrong since those players have 40%+ winrate with a tp in their inventory, not 0.00%. It's getting technical, but you could've worded it better, and you need to word things better if you want to argue for them.
and it wil only be in your most picked up items if you lose majority of your games.
They have it in their top 6 end items despite having huge MMR and winning 50%+ of their games.
If you want to argue for something that takes data into consideration, then you have to word it properly.
If what you meant is "majority of players will have sub 50% winrate on games when they end up having a tp in their inventory" then that's true, properly backed by data, and we'd agree on that. But we're talking about top 6 most used items, and what you said and how you worded it is not actually correct, because TP gets into the top 6 items just by being cheap and universal, not by being a good item to have in your inventory when you're ending the game.
Do you understand now?
and badmans tp is like in top 10 only
It's his 6th most had item at the end of the game.
you're not only delusional, but you're providing stats and saying they aren't what they are. how fucking huge cognitive dissonance can get here?
No, I am saying exactly what they are, and what they are not. What you're doing is saying something that's imprecise to no end, and trying to argue it in an even more imprecise matter.
oh and your 56% high skill winrate so good man.
It's not good or bad, it's just that TP is my 3rd most owned item at the end of the game, and I still win majority of them. Actually, I even win majority of my "tp having" games too, because if I have a free slot at the end of the game, I'll just have a TP in it, which is just a playstyle thing.
uhhh tons of games end before getting six slotted, average game length is like 40 mins, so unless your am or alch or something you are probably 4 of 5 slotted depending on how big your purchases are.
Yo dire, gotta have dem tps all day err day when theres an extra slot man :]] of course not unless ur always six slotted :]]
ok you dont even read what i say and you have autism theres no point in reading your comment anymore.
just off yourelf, that would help this world quite a lot
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Somebody quotes every single sentence of another guy's posts.
"you dont even read what i say"
Oh dotabuff, you always deliver.
just quoting a post doesn't mean he read it.
read my posts and read what he's replying to. it's fucking hilarious, it's as if he's 3 year old with mental disabilities
Always poofing (Blink Dagger) or somewhere around the map (Boots of Travel) changing the color of his/her boots (Power Treads) while cutting some armor off (Desolator) of enemies while sippin' on that gin and juice (Bottle).
Extra. On occasion, likes to hurt his/her own soul for some purified energy. (Soul Ring)
I'm prepared for something about being broke. 0_0;
just quoting a post doesn't mean he read it.
Yeah, when somebody analyzes what you write in depth, they probably don't read it. In fact, if this is your reply, I'm actually pretty sure you didn't read my post, not the other way around.
read my posts and read what he's replying to.
Yep, do it. And see exactly what I mean. He's being imprecise with what he means and completely disregarding and misinterpreting concise arguments. He categorized Waga as a 3k trash player that loses most games, among other things, it's all up there. Apparently when you make an absolute statement and the other party finds a case where the claim is not true at all, you start spouting more shit instead of admitting you're wrong or that your statement was more general than it should've been.
it's fucking hilarious, it's as if he's 3 year old with mental disabilities
If it takes you this long to even consider trying to understand what my point is, it's actually pretty apparent it's you being extremely obtuse, not me.
So, I'd like to know, which of your points did I misunderstand/disregard? Which of the points are those that I "didn't read"? Where's this great wisdom of yours, that's consistent with data properly and precisely presented?
You said some shit, were proven wrong (according to what you WROTE, not what you MEANT, probably, because you suck at communication), and now you're bitching and blaming the other party for not reading, and all this without any further counter-argumentation, so you just sit out there, calling somebody mentally disabled.
My hat's off to you, sir.
yet again youre claiming some random shit. just please kill yourself, if you can't understand basic concepts of simple words you won't be able to do anything in life above garbage level in which you are now.
Scroll's my top item and I have a 50% WR. What's wrong?
Items have no correlation with win rates, it's just statistics.
TP is my 2nd item (PT are first, with one more PT than TP) and I have decently positive win rate. It means literally nothing in terms of WR, but it means I often have a TP on me and sometimes I end the game with it.
you will obviously be carrying tps more often in lost games than won ones how is not obvious and why is there even some wall of discussion?!
yet again youre claiming some random shit.
Yeah, writing paragraphs to help you understand exactly what I mean (and why what you wrote doesn't mean what you may think it does) is totally "random shit", and you claiming a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with reality is totally not "random shit".
just please kill yourself,
Yeah I might do this somewhere in future, not due to brain damaged people like yourself, but rather due to some personal/health based reasons.
if you can't understand basic concepts of simple words you won't be able to do anything in life above garbage level in which you are now.
No, you're just wrong. That's it. You said some things, and they are wrong. There's no simple/complex words/concepts, there's just right and wrong here. I can quote shit you wrote again, and it's utterly wrong, and there's data to support it. You just write things that aren't true, if that's hard to understand for you, I guess you can't really be helped. Again, and I can't stress this enough, what you wrote is simply _WRONG_. Also, I'm doing rather well with my hobbies/profession, but you can probably feel better if you imagine I'm garbage at everything, because then you can claim some moral victory.
btw how big is your fedora collection?
Nice one, how big is your "look mom i can't communicate!" shirt collection?
So let's just go back to what you said and why it's wrong, since you might actually be mentally deficient to some degree:
So people who have tps in their top 3 are not playing cores.
WRONG because it's an absolute statement, therefore I need to find only one example where you're wrong, so I went to Waga's profile, and TP is his 3rd most "finish the game with" item. So there you go, [http://www.dotabuff.com/players/32995405]Waga[/url] is not playing cores. The words you used are simple, but wrong. Okay, let's go further, then you said:
Town Portal Scroll 12
8.33%
0.98
nope. simply nope. you only have tps in your inventory if you lose. and it wil only be in your most picked up items if you lose majority of your games.
Well, first thing is, you used your own profile's data for this claim. That means jack shit, you made a general (actually, absolute) statement, and tried to back it up with your own profile's data. That doesn't work, you need to prove it's right in every single case for what you said beforehand to be true. That's one issue. Next, you then said that "you only have tps in your inventory if you lose". Okay, this is another absolute statement (because of the word ONLY), and I can disprove this because I have 51% winrate with a tp scroll in my inventory. I literally only need one example to disprove your absolute statement, as it doesn't work in every case. So then you say it'll only be in a person's most picked up items if that person loses majority of their games. Again, the word ONLY makes it an absolute, general statement, so that means it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to have a tp scroll in his top items, and have >= 50% winrate, and it's also impossible to have >= 50% winrate if you end the game with a tp scroll in your inventory. So any version of this claim is wrong, and there's no way around it. Oh, but your shit didn't end here:
disproven how?
the thing is, if you're winning and you're in enemy base, most of the time you will just have some items for either final push or you'll be 6slotted anyway while farming their fountain unless they suddenly decide to go afk.
Nice anecdote, however, I've already given counter examples for your absolute claims, disproving them in their current state, so everything you said here is actually empty talk.
and badmans tp is like in top 10 only
you're not only delusional, but you're providing stats and saying they aren't what they are. how fucking huge cognitive dissonance can get here?
Although Badman doesn't have a tp in his top 3 items, he has it in his top 6 items (which is what I've outlined, so as not to be confused with your "top 3 items" criteria), and remember what you said about people who end games with tps lose MAJORITY of THEIR games? Not "their games that they end with a tp in their inventory" but "if you lose majority of YOUR GAMES", meaning all games they are a part of.
waga: Town Portal Scroll 1,760
43.69%
3.35
badman: Town Portal Scroll 859
43.89%
2.60
thanks for posting links to their profiles where info is literally a refutation to your whole post. you're fucking delusional.
Well, Badman and Waga win most of their games, and they lose majority of their games if they have a TP in their inventory. That's true, and I'd never argue against hard data, and I never even said anything that'd support the idea that I mean't "TP has > 50% winrate for those two guys", it's more so your lack of reading comprehension. Go back and read what I said, since you accused me of not doing that.
However, considering TP% winrate, that's not at all what you initially said, you change your story on the fly depending on whether somebody calls you on your bullshit, so let me try to decompose this step by step:
1) Make an absolute statement that one of the top 3 items being tp means that you don't play cores - Waga plays cores, statement disproved
2) Make an absolute statement that one of the top 3 items being tp means losing most of your games (without the whole tp at the end filter) - Waga wins most games yet has tp as his 3rd most had item at the end of the game
3) Try to change that statement to make it seem that you were referring to the winrate with the tp (the statement is still in its absolute form) - I have 51% winrate with a tp, and 56% in general, disproving your absolute claim
4) In the end you personally attack me, because you gave up on trying to change what you meant, since whatever you meant was oviously wrong in enough instances to disprove your claim (and only one instance was needed in every case), and all you had to do is to just reduce the scope of your claims or carefully rephrase/define what you'd want to say, but considering that you really suck at communication and lack the integrity to admit you're wrong, you just gave up.
Therefore, I rest my case.
you will obviously be carrying tps more often in lost games than won ones how is not obvious and why is there even some wall of discussion?!
Because that wasn't originally the discussion. Every sane person will agree that's right, since TP has 29.35% global winrate, it's blatantly obvious. Read my post for clarification on what the issue here is. It's a communication issue more so than anything else, since this tinker guy either can't explain what he thinks or has to change what he wants to say every time and still end up saying something that's just demonstrably wrong.
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