General DiscussionLooking for most balanced Alch item build

Farming build:
Brown boots, soulring/bottle depending on lane, radiance, BoT, Manta, Octarine, AC, Shivas/Abyssal, moonshard, aghsspam

Fighting build:
Pt, solar, blink, AC, HoT/Bfly/Bkb, Abyssal, moonshard, Aghsspam

other builds don't make sense or are very situational.

I like the first one. I was just wondering why top alch players go Shivas instead of Abyssal for more lockdown ?

For more crowd control ?

it's because alchemist isnt really a carry that needs to do dmg with that build. He is more a tank that takes the damage. See him more as an axe, bristle or centaur.

understood, will try this out today, thx ;)

Seems i have to quit going carry build on him. It works only 50% of the times.

nah, your main problem with alchemist is simple, you don't farm fast enough. You probably need to fix that. If you can farm properly and get freefarm for 10mins, you won the game.

-> http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2088719064

GPM, HD, TD and Lasthits. Compare that to yours, then you know what you have to work on.

Im 4.5 k so im still improving. I have problems with making decisions when to gank or not, help team or keep farming. Often i end up running around looking for kills and geting none istead of farming. Or tping to teamfight and end up dying. So I guess u are right.

EDIT: To have more than 1.1 k gpm u have to have deceent supportst. Many times my sups refuse to stack and i have to do it myslef.

I've been trying many different builds on Alch recently and came to a conclusion that this build might be most balanced. What u think about that ?
starting: stout + quelling + tangos (+bottle if on mid)
brown boots into radiance (ususally 11 min) ; then upgrade boots to BoT ; after that an initiating/escape item blink or silver egde (depends on game); after that some armor so AC, then BKB followed by abyssal blade(or some other dmg item).
After that moonshard + scepter for stats.
So it would look like: BoT, Radiance, Silver Edge(or blink), AC, BKB, Abysall (+moonshard, scepter)
Personally im starting to hate the octarine build cos i prefer ganking build rather than split pushing build. What u think about this ?
Or maybe better is? : BoT, Radiance, Manta, Octarine, AC, Abyssal ?

dont pick alche

Said normal skill 35.94% smurf

Alch is very much fun to play.

ask ur team to pick heroes that benefit from aghs a lot and rush aghs for all of ur teammates = 100% win rate Kappa

^ its not that kappa as it seems to be, as long as u get 6-slotted and then spam them. Like Kathy said u have to farm extremely fast and every game is ez +25

nah fuck that, rushing aghs from min 0 :d http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2219632042 aghs for everyone!! come grab one urself!!

Said normal skill 35.94% smurf
Alch is very much fun to play.

can easily rape ur alche with my qop. im the best qop in PH

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U know i thought about meepo before i clicked the link :D and bam

40% winrate on QOP, normal skill, SEA, but he still might be best QOP in PH.

Do what kathy said, it's legit.