General DiscussionInt hard carry

silencer and OD can be hard carries I'm sure!

closest thing we get for an int hc is od and silencer

Since we don't have one

rip jacked beat me

and there are many more int heroes that actually do a lot of dmg in lategame and are powerful af

OD is a hard carry, silencer is kind of a shitty carry since his glaives only double his damage unless you're up against incredibly high armored opponents, and he benefits most from utility items.

Invoker?

rclicking int heroes will kinda be lame unless they have a gimmick like OD since that stat is primarily just for increasing mana/manaregen and spell amp

well maybe some guy who's rclick damage uses his mana pool --> damage but meh lame idea

OD aint hard carry OD is bullshit in any stage of the game lmao
What I mean as "hard carry" is heroes that is only good in the lategame with high amount of farm
OD can just kill people any time past 10 minutes with only a force staff

Bws. That's because he is broken. Haha. Like when specter was good every aspect of the game but he was supposed to be a traditional hard carry.

Silencer is shit but he can kinda get hard carry with lots of int stolen and go full right click

My Dong is intelligent and hard as well.

what the fuck is the point of them being intelligence if they are unable to utilize spells that have a static amount of damage ie they can only be good early game

what are they gonna do with all that int roflmao

Invoker?

@haffy

they can cast more spells with it kappa

plus spell amplify is a stat now

stat is a spell amplify*

what

what i meant was that spell amplify is now a controlled parameter aka "stat" in game lingo cuz u can increase it with ur int

i honestly feel dumb rn rofl

ah yes atk speed and dmg is now a stat, i feel like i just woke up lmao

Invoker?

Invoked isn't in the traditional right click sense. But he can definitely be a beast and carry late game

Furion and windranger can be strong as well but not as hard as the heroes mentioned above......

storm is an int hard carry
od is an int hard carry
tinker is an int hard carry
invoker is an int hard carry

what the fuck is the point of them being intelligence if they are unable to utilize spells that have a static amount of damage ie they can only be good early game

what are they gonna do with all that int roflmao

=)

Int heroes are specifically designed to be about their active abilities mostly and if are good at right-clicking - countered by BKB.
I think that if you just swapped heroes with their abilities int heroes would do much better because of how much they can spam spells. imagine an OD instead of Luna with her spells, or just switch juggers int and agility and see what happens. there are plenty of non-attribute-based DPS and defensive items out there. Only real sad stories are butterfly, because of not having evasion based item on int, and maybe diffusal. While int comes with shitload of items with utility.

I can remember Hao's QoP as hard carry

Storm, voker, od, tinker, qop - all can carry pretty hard with right items.

Qop cannot carry wut

What about NP?

...if you go the right click build.

Natures prophet is probably the closest dps int hero for what you are asking, od, storm and qop also have pretty good right clicks late game too.

Silencer has the potential for good dps as he has the highest agi gain of all int heros and his glaves is based on a percentage on his int and deal pure damage but is blocked by bkb, and he is let down by his farming speed.

storms awesome lategame

Lina is underated fam

i think he means a hero that desperately needs items and a lot of them to make a big impact. like antimage spectre medusa morph naga.

thats the thing, pretty much all int heroes can already snowball in early game if they are ahead.

Uhh wtf? There's tons of int carries if itemized for it.

Lina, built in right click passive. Lina with shivas, scythe, bloodthorne is right clicking like a beast.
Silencer, same deal, that glaive dmg is nuts.
Pugna, tower damaging spells, can 1v1 almost anyone with his ult, counters casters like crazy.
NP, build for right click or rat.
Invoker, this dude hits fucking hard late game, he is not only about spells.
OD, nuff said
Necrophos, not a right clicker but damn tanky, amazing ult. Can hard carry games.
Storm spirit, right clicks very hard late, amazing cc, really hard to kill
Tinker, no tower dmg but damn he will wipe your entire team with rocket spam.
Windranger, nuff said
DP can hard carry games kind of like necro, doesn't really right click but tanky and tower killer with ult
Lesh used to be before he got nerfed so hard.

Only one I disagree with is qop. Pros would build like orchid and ac on her and right click late but I don't like the build.

well her natural items are shit like bloodthorn and sheep. so the rightclick comes on its own xD

Late game storm, tink, silencer, invoker, od, windranger, all are strong. However most r strong throughout the game, and the greediest one here is probably invoker

storm and to a lesser extent tinker are useless without farm

od needs to be ahead

Actually i carried hard with lina once.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2596642585

And windranger, but mostly because of dumb invoker feeder.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2526661844

Also if anyone wants a really orgasmic clip look at this game where void chronos me (silencer) in my jungle

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2667346041
I have never KreyGasmed this hard in my life

Pretty sure Storm outcarries shit like Naga and AM if he has a second hero who can hit buildings. If that isn't a hard carry then I don't know what is. Invoker also shits on 99% of heroes lategame if the player is any good.

int scales poorly into lategame cz unlike hp pool/attack speed/armor, u only need a limited amount of mana

silencer can turn into a carry with int steals. and with w he can dish out pretty good dmg.

Go slahsers way for silencer its so funny. And stuff like glaives, arcane orb, lina passive, ball lightning, all scale extremely well into the late game. If u go storm against a team without disables, and it goes late u can solo anyone. Rearm also.

Basically its not abt the stat of int scaling but abt their spells scaling

Buff Windranger. Maybe not a hard carry, but pretty close late game

OD is u fak