nah its even better on supports now. you go tranquils and windlace, so ez movement speed.
and you can start with wind lace at start if you dont have to buy all the wards, so its a natureal build up which you can buy early on from the side shop.
Wow I never thought of it, but Tranquils+Wind Lace Rikimaru does sound REALLY good, as an alternative to Phase Boots.
You get Tranquil's regen and consistently speedy movement speed, in exchange for some damage and burst movespeed.
It's in an odd place I think. The no armor hurts heroes like cm and pudge. Idk I can see a treads cm coming into play simply because tranqs leaves cm terribly weak.
As for pudge it will depend on the player. More ms on pudge is great, but pudges base armor is worthless and can be dealt with pretty Easily early game
Lol so buy a ring of protection with ur tranquils. Its basically the same thing as before minus the armor ofc with more regen an added ms. Why not go boots + basilius for early game supports. U can just turn that basilius into a drum or vladimirs
remember when people thought 700 hotd was a nerf
im pretty sure having +5 ms, +10 while broken is 1000000x better than armor usually
I'd rather just save my money for Glimmer, Force, or Ghost now. A lot of people say that 50 hp can make a difference, so I assume that 3 armor - which for a hard support - is like 15% pdr, can make some kind of difference. RoB can be nice on a support, but only if your agi core doesn't get RoA. Otherwise, I feel you'll be hemorrhaging gold on a hero that doesn't even farm.
im sure this is a buff. u dont get tranqs so u can tank meld strike as cm lol
it doesn't mean armor doesn't matter at all for her
10/5 ms and +2 regen arent worth losing armor and increasing cost by 75 imo
especially for melee supprots or offlaners who WILL get hit and will have to tank creeps to farm like cw or slardar
not like it changes anything in the end but i think tranqs got weaker, at least for offlaners
hmm I think it's just as good or better on most heroes. Only hero I will probably never build it on now is necro, and even then I usually opted for arcanes into greaves or treads. Treads keeps getting buffed too so it's really hard to opt for phase now on ranged heroes. Phase is too weak on ranged now I feel.
Idk treads cm seems ideal in my opinion. 200 health and some ms for 1350. As yes with tranqs you get regen and more ms but say the enemy team smoke ganks, or say you go to ward and there is an invis lc, slark, or blink lc, or whatever initiation the enemy team has. The tranqs could have helped in these situations, and now they can't.
200 health for cm is huge now or other swishy supports who needed that amor previously
i never saw or made tranq on necro. idk how is it helpful. pt and arcane has always been better option imo
Cus tranqs always had more move speed than treads, were cheaper than treads and had armor. A lot of necros go brown boots anyway.
Yes but Pt and arcane has more befit than tranq. and if any game required that much movement speed then its better to go phase boots than tranq. if movement speed was the prime need then it should be made more now rather than before. but you said it yourself youll never build it now.
I dont use tranquils that much as a support. But I think Its good, 2armor on supports doesnt really help much since if you are good at positioning then you wont die at least. But extra movement speed will help since you will be roaming alot, and its not like you're going toe to toe with enemies. Once you're ganked or get out of position, 2armor or not. you're dead anyways.
2armor on offlaners is a different story though. So its a buff for supports and nerf for offlaners imo
idk I did i like 5 times two years ago just saying. Maybe not ideal but didn't seem bad at the time.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/70671819/matches?hero=necrophos
https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/necrophos/items rarely people make tranq
it is redundant on necro tbh
for heroes like slardar tranqs change is a buff, cuz he uses them to initiate better pre blink, with sprint amping the ms he moves even faster. on the other hand for heroes like centaur and axe, and offlaners who like the armor when trading hits with the support, I think its a nerf. for squishy supports like cm I cant decide, cuz its both very good to chase better and position better, but also bad cuz there r rlly no good early cheap armor items for supports besides medallion, but not every hero like lion, cm, wants a medallion. the only other one is buckler into mek, but that's also situational. I guess we will see soon enough in the meta.
Who the fuck said treads CM lol. no one prefer being a tank slow snail as spell caster support rather than a slippery fast one.
Do you think a fucking 2 armor changes anything lets just say. Tranq + wand in 10 minutes? Try cm treads negativity spreader xD
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mostly for supports or cores who would otherwise naturally buy wind lace
feels rly good on rubick in example and probably amazing on riki, etc.