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General DiscussionLeshrac vs Seer

Leshrac vs Seer in General Discussion
Wolfmother

    Dotabuff says Lesh has a 3.91% advantage over Darkseer. That's massive......but why? DS has an escape and often makes defensive items like Mek and Pipe.

    Shou

      My guess is that both a leshrac illusion does nothing, and leshrac pushes so hard that ds cant counterpush, cuz he nukes the waves so fast, and counterpush is one of ds strengths. Leshrac's used to end games at like 20 min with edict taking towers repeatedly.

      Murranji

        No it's just a quirk of how the winrates on heroes work and compare.

        They just compare the average winrates of the heroes and how often they win against one another to come up with a percentage of how many times a heroes wins compared to how much dotabuff thinks they should win based on their winrates.

        Ie if Leshrac has a 3.91% advantage over dark seer it just means Leshrac happens to have won 3.91% of matches more than what dotabuff predicts he should have against an enemy dark seer.

        Eg wisp has a 2.96% advantage against Spectre, and spectre has a 4.78% disadvantage against wisp but a 68% winrate - ie she crushes wisp. Dotabuff only says wisp has an advantage/spectre disadvantage because spectre doesn't crush wisp so utterly as what dotabuff predict she should based on their algorithm.

        Shou

          wisp is almost an anomaly at this point cuz his winrate is so bad in low brackets that he shud theoretically lose to every hero

          very good csgo player

            I don't think the sub 1k chromosome dump's opinion is needed

            Emiya

              ^ how about you criticize his opinion logically first before (hhah u suks btw i have much much bigger epenis)

              being low mmr doesn't mean mentally ill nor mathematical fail

              Wolfmother

                Hmm, thanks. So there is a hidden algorithm used to predict win chance. If DS winrate is higher than Leshs would he have an advantage then?

                very good csgo player

                  Hahaahahahahahaah more mmr than both of you. Do they call you the rider because you ride on the subhuman's dick? If you below 3k you are mentally damaged 👍

                  Emiya

                    you are the living proof that mmr=/=IQ , i dont get why you think that being bad at "" GAME "" mean you are lowlife when usually it is the other way around .
                    just remember this kiddo , some people don't have time to play 7+ hours ranked a day because they have other -real life- stuffs to do and/or they don't like being under stress when they play to release stress

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                        Do they call you the rider because you ride on the subhuman's dick?

                        hot damn

                        Jacked

                          TBH I don't understand the need to use that method. Oftentimes it results in a something meaningless. I would much rather just see the highest/lowest winrates against other heros to decide whether the matchup is good

                          Kryptnyt

                            It's not just that Lesh makes a weak illusion, it's that Lesh's ulti will kill all of the illusions pretty fast. He does his damage outside of consideration for disables, so when you get a perfect wall into vaccum into RP into Black Hole, you're not actually doing damage with your illusions, and your team is actually dieing to lesh ulti and edict... he might not survive all of that, but someone on his team can clean up for sure.
                            Not to mention chasing down Lesh with an ion shell isn't going to work out for you because edict will outdamage shell.

                            As for escape and survivability, Lesh has 100% uptime on his teamfight so if you escape from Lesh he can just take towers with his team as if you had died. It's not like he wasted his ulti and is going to be weaker for the fight, as long as he has mana he has deeps.

                            I'm under 3k and I can't commit to the game and fix that for you. But I can theorize a little bit. It's fun for me.

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                            very good csgo player

                              Lul you mad 2k trashcan. I play ranked with 300 ping and I'm still higher mmr than both of you trashcans. You're just fucking bad. I haven't seen a sub 4k player's opinion being relevant. Ever.

                              Kryptnyt

                                And your opinion is nonexistant, so it doesn't matter. Nice 50% winrate on your best hero.

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                                Jacked

                                  LMAO 4K elitist

                                  Emiya

                                    @B rabbit
                                    why would i be mad because immature kid is trashtalking lol ? you think your 4/5k means jackshit

                                    kiddo let me give you another lesson , there are 2 types of dota player : those who play for money (aka:streamer , pros) and those who don't play for money , and if you are second type then it doesn't matter if your e-penis is horse-dick tier or a normal skill tier because you will get nothing out of it anyway , good day sir!

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                                    very good csgo player

                                      Looool triggering shitstains on dotabuff is even more fun than triggering shitstains on reddit

                                      Emiya

                                        K!