General Discussion

General Discussionnew meta sf itemization

new meta sf itemization in General Discussion
Player 345996680

    is drums a valid nearly-every-game 1st item purchase now, right after treads and aquila? the stats are very good, mana regen, strong active;

    SnY potentially replaces DLance/Pike because of better stats and overall being good on the hero?

    dragon lance/pike is a situational item, only gotten when you need a force staff or plan to play around long-range tower-siege?

    Other comments welcome as well.

    이 주제는 수정되었습니다
    Stentorian

      Treads Raindrop Wand Aquila

      Next you have three scenarios:
      A. Euls build when you're against heroes that has little escape options. You can one-shot many heroes.
      B. Shadowblade (more defensive option than Euls). Good for silver edge against heroes like BB, Timber, Pitlord etc.
      C. Dragon Lance --> Pike (against clock, disruptor, Ursa, etc)

      You'll almost always need a BKB next.

      Not sure SNY helps SF at all. He needs positioning and split push items. SNY isn't core on him like it is on Razor or sometimes Sven.

      Almost all games will require a BKB.

      ねずみ

        People getting sny because it synergize well with his lvl 15 talent

        Shou

          @stent this patch sf is different
          Drums is viable, sny replaces Pike with ur 15 Ms talent, blink is much more viable due to the much higher early game raze burst potential as opposed to using sb to set up requiem kills.

          Player 345996680

            i actually LOVE buying drums, coz on top of the good early game stats/powerful active you also get the mana regen, aquila+drum+raindrop means you can spam your spells for farming and never fear to be out of mana, without investing to a bottle (you might not always get runes and purchase is wasted).

            Jacked

              Drums is great man why not

              Shou

                u still need bottle

                Player 345996680

                  you dont NEED bottle in a drums build. I mean just check the guides, nearly every game where drums is built - bottle is skipped. its just not a reliable gold investment really, and it depends highly on how your lane and the game goes. If you arent constantly getting harassed down or something, clarities are more than enough.

                  ii

                    i never change my build as long as im winning
                    -aquila
                    -pike
                    -sny
                    -travels
                    -linkens

                    chicken spook,,,,

                      why bother with builds if you're 2 items ahead of the enemy midlaner by min 25 most of the time

                      Shou

                        i feel like u need bottle even more than u did before 707 cuz of how much more u use raze

                        chicken spook,,,,

                          send clarity every minute and spam oee

                          1
                          1

                            Magic type sf is the best

                            CUTNPASTE

                              Skip bottle with drum, Aquila+drum+occasional clarities is more than enough mana regen.

                              𐂃

                                I just don't get why SF winrate is still low.....I am not good with sf at all but I see a huge potential with him to have higher winrate.

                                moment

                                  Theres an annoying thing called bkb so magic sf is not applicable much .

                                  Shou

                                    ^so there is this thing where not every hero goes bkb, and the fact that it almost doesn't matter in the lategame with hex eblade
                                    It's like saying "x hero does magic dmg so they're unplayable cuz bkb LUL"

                                    Melt

                                      in the world where bkb means magic dmg is completely useless, there would be 50 useless heroes in dota