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letmeofflane

    Match 3657492408 - I'm not sure where and how I've lost this match. Is void not that good at late game vs a CK ? Please do let me know what I could have done to win this match
    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3657492408

    Melt

      i will just talk about your itemization

      no armor
      no defensive tools
      battlefury isnt too good on void, he doesnt need it to farm quickly + he wants to fight early. aquila+mom or an early diffusual is much better usually
      i kinda like the satanic, you probably noticed that you need to tank up. but too late. feelsbadman

      linkens to block baras bullshit or the abyssalblades
      butterfly or ac for some armor and physical protection
      silveredge is alsmost useless in that lineup

      glascannon void vs 2 blademails, 2 abyssal blades, an overall lockdown heavy lineup
      you were useless outside of chrono i assume

      also ck didnt win this. you itemized 100% to deal with ck, meanwhile abaddon and bara dealt all the dmg

      btw to win this game you just need to splitpush the shit out of them, get a blink dagger and tp boots to improve it

      Lruce Bee

        Battlefury and mjol was a smRt choice against CK. but you need more Attack speed not crystalys or statanic. Mom and MKb would be the better items here.

        Satanic is a very bad choice for survivability on void. You would typically get Bkb and linkens.

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        Lruce Bee

          Battlefury is good on void in this current patch.

          IXXI

            Silver edge was just not helpful against their lineup - they had no passives that you needed to disable.

            Instead of silver edge, i probably would've grabbed a linkens and a butterfly instead of crit.

            Lruce Bee

              Ixxi, I see plenty of passives in the game that could potentially be good to have disabled. That said, it is often not necessary to get silveredge early if more important items are still pending. Silver edge itself is still a pretty good Dps item.

              Melt

                no, its just shit in this game

                Lruce Bee

                  Highest hero damage would disagree with that statement.

                  FleurDeLys

                    ^ Lols he's just getting more and more enthusiastic

                    fx

                      Refresher

                      Lokieleven

                        Why did you go crit? You needed a linkens or bkb

                        Umbranox

                          If you're playing 2 cores vs 4 cores you're gonna lose the game if it goes for 53 minutes. Easy as that.

                          <darth>

                            U were just hitting hard u should have gone for a butterfly or linkin and your teammates should have made a lotus orb.

                            GayPirate

                              linkens wouldve won you the game buddy

                              letmeofflane

                                @Everyone thank you for your inputs, Reason I went Silver edge is I wanted to get a jump on either slark or CK or BS . Coming to the point of blink and tp out as suggested by @Melt , I really don't think that would have been a viable option. Coming to the point of SB and Abbadon winning the game , you are 100 % right on that (Fuck me, I completely ignored Abbadon - Like wtf can he do ? )

                                @Hans - Satanic is a good option,I was man fighting 3 guys at any given time, without the tank and life steal I would have died, I had a MOM which I converted to satanic

                                @ixxi - The Silver edge was not to disable their passives , actually come to think of it, it did help disable slark, ck and bs a bit . I primarily got it as a replacement for blink (Seeing my cores and support didn't do shit whole game, instead of flaming me, and its always good to get a HP and DPS item, plus they never actually got dust )

                                @FX - Yeah a refresher would have helped big time

                                @The one true - Your right linkens or bkb would have helped

                                @Umbranox - I understand that point of cores being balanced, but a 6 slotted void over a mediocre ck, slark and bs cannot be an excuse

                                @Gay Pirate - True, maybe

                                #I should have gone for either linkens or bkb and replace the crit with Armor - that would have won the game ( Smh - I baffle myself)
                                Thank you, If I've missed something please do let me know

                                Story Time

                                  do items matter at the normal skill when the whole team goes feeding-frenzy? I doubt :D actually u lost at the picks already (sniper versus bara and void versus abba+ck).

                                  letmeofflane

                                    @Story time - Actually at normal skill it does. Picks do matter but I doubt at this level when every one is either learning or in the stage of saying I can win 1 vs 1 with Miracle, it depends more on game sense , item builds and coordination

                                    Story Time

                                      miracle wins 99,9% of games in normal skill, there is no doubt. But I meant only that your team made it pretty unwinnable for YOU as a normal skill player and items discussion is only marginally useful here

                                      letmeofflane

                                        @Story - I doubt it, Miracle will leave the match looking at normal skill game play (That shit is crazy, fuck it I'm out) .
                                        So essentially you are saying, for this specific match no matter what I do/build it is a auto loose based on the picks ?

                                        Story Time

                                          yes, and also performance of your roamers so to say

                                          Cookie proved that a good player will have >90% winrate in your bracket. Check his smurf: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/242852551/matches?enhance=overview&page=1 (starting from November 2016, long winning streaks)

                                          letmeofflane

                                            @Story time - Good to know, thanks

                                            Khalilov

                                              I just think ur build are trash mate

                                              And that enemy doesnt even try to counter u. If it me, ill pick riki or shaman

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                                              letmeofflane

                                                Well thank fully it's not you .. Between nice counter picks . Could you suggest a different build ?