this thread is more useless than haels dick
Also Sven counters TB/PL/Naga
I'll have what he is having
Dunno bout you but it works well for me. I didn't include them because I though it'll be obvious. But thanks for your opinion , I'll probably make it better next time cuz I'm still an amateur. Would be helpful if you showed my why it useless , hopefully I'll be able to learn something from it.
Bristleback and Spectre countered by Venomancer, its ward and DPS are really annoying. Its work against both Passive skill
AM counters a Morhpling without BKB.
Axe>Bristle. dno whatt the shit you are writing that bristle counters Axe. Axe makes BRISTLE have tO FACE Him thus no DAMAGE reduction. BRISTLE STR NO ARMOR = Counterhelix 2shot him
what hte fcuk are you talking about? "Depends on how well you play"
It's said that TA counters Puck mid, but if Puck outplays TA, that doesnt change TA is a counter to Puck in the mid lane.
Slark getting countered by Bloodseeker doesn't change the fact Bloodseeker counters Slark, no matter how well Slark plays. It's still a counter.
Go back to playing IO carry in the SHIT BRACKET you belong mate, what the fcuk
@dd Yes , I'm sorry , I'm still a beginner hoping for some tips from veterans here.Wpuld be really nice if you actually told me that I'm wrong without being abusive.I can go back to playing my IO carry , but you really should leave Dota. Players who are uncivilized and does not posses any virtues does not deserve to be in this community. I'm here to learn and have fun , not to be criticized. Go tarnish LoL's reputation with your "politeness" instead of Dota. Thanks
@Vaikiss'722 Oh is that right? I thought I saw Sven countering heroes who create illusions in the statistic of Dota buff :/
@Viruser I just thought of making counters to annoying heroes, I don't find omniknight as annoying as those mentioned
how does exactlee sven counters pl ?
pl is hero who plays rat dota all he does is splitpush and farm until hes 6 sloted
pl farms aprox 2.5 times faster than sven unles sven goes super greedy build and gets protected by trilane even then hes easy to punish
pl can always juke out sven while hes in ulti form and then rape him like theres no tomorow in 1v1 fight or 1v5 fight
same goes for other illusion heroes they are generally used in splitpush and only starts fighting once they get to 6 slot sector
if ur counter so good how come none of the pro teams in tournaments never ran a sven against team that has naga ?
cuz sven is shit
brewmaster counters every hero that has no magic immunity until 40 minute mark and then falls off when enemies gets bkb/mkb
bane counters every hero as long as teamfight favours to his side and theres noone to remove sleep/grip
silencer only punishes high cooldown/low mana pool heroes like phoenix viper tide ck/ etc
clockwerk counters heroes that are splitpushing like tinker nature prophet and shit like that he also good and picking out single supports
actually clockwerk only counters melee carries by hooking into them then cogging and forcing himself out
bristleback counters linken thats all
meepo counters nothing cuz hes one of the strongest heroes hes jsut stronk on his own (with items)
but yeah ur assumptions is shit u obviously don't know shit about game
Epsik, AM does counter Medusa.
Medusa has a large mana pool lategame, where Medusa actually shines. She is very dependent on her mana shield, with mana break from Anti-Mage + Rightclicks her mana goes down to 1 in matter of seconds. If she has linkens, someone breaks it and antimage voids here and BANG, dead carry.
She kinda needs BKB vs Anti-Mage, but then again Anti-Mage can just kite her until bkb is over.
4 slotted Medusa murders 6 slotted AM in a teamfight. If AM do not initiate Medusa with blink, he'll die without even coming close, if he uses blink to start a fight, he will die to Stone Gaze.
Only period where AM's manaburn bothers Medusa is early-mid game, where you'll not fight each other.
^I dunno ... 6 slotted AM kinda implies Heart/Bfly ... I don't think he'd die before he got to Medusa. I can see the blink situation, but in an ideal situation (which I admit never happens) AM could just walk away and wait for the ult to finish, I think.
Yes, Hatsune is right.
AM will just kite Medusa, and rape her after her ult is gone anyways. Why would he jump onto Medusa 1v1 to get stone gazed? Obviously he turn around.
AM wins medusa solo, the important things is what the other heroes does.
Unlike you, I played plenty Medusa vs AM matches. AM can't fight with Medusa. AM can't actually kite Medusa. More to this, AM has zero teamfight potential.
He can outfarm her, win via split-push, but he will be terrible in actual face-to-face combat. And will be worthless in a 5vs5 fight.
4 slotted Medusa implies Skadi and Rapier. 6 slots are overkill.
How do you even imagine all that "kite" thing? AM runs straight to Medusa in hope that she will ulti right away?
When Medusa activates ultimate, Anti-Mage just blinks away? I don't think you actually know what abilities each hero has to be honest.
I probably have like 150 lobby games where me and my friends tries out 1v1 heroes with different builds.
PL vs Gyro, where Gyro wins unless PL gets something like Abbysal blade, where Gyro got raped. However Gyro won when PL didnt have Abbysal.
Medusa isn't tanky wihtout her shield, and Anti-Mage rapes here mana when shield makes it even faster to drop.
dunno what you r thinknig about. "rapier blablabla" holy fooasd XDD
EDIT: plz go back to your 3k games) xD
You guys should at least learn how to play Medusa, to have some point on this topic. If AM don't use blink to get close to Medusa, she will not need her ulti at all. It could be opposite on your great 1-on-1's you sure tried lot of times, but in actual team fight it's a suicide.
I don't want to hear anything Medusa-related from peoples who buy Manta for "AoE damage" on her.
PS Why do I actually argue with peoples who obviously can't read.
How do you expect medusa to beat AM?Anytime medusa uses her ulti , AM would just blink away , unless you're saying she has orchid or something.But still , AM's mana break just makes her shield useless.
Am > medusa in all realistic situations. Wait for teammate to pop linkens. Blink -> abyssal manta and she loses most of her mana and 1/4-1/3 of her hp. Turn around during gaze then just punch her for a bit and void her for ez huge aoe nuke and dead snake.
Also medusa will def. trilane 7/10 times with the other 3 times being a jungler and dual safelane. This means you have little difficulty farming, and the enemy carry can do nothing to stop your push unlike riki/slardar
I love how everyone "turns around" for freaking 6 seconds of 50% slow (including turn rate) in a teamfight. Should be nice.
Also, no one ever expects AM to actually blink in fight, right? And no one will press that "R" button, which don't even requires targeting. And no one will use Phase to ensure petrification if it required, when someone is "turned around".
Srsly.
Late-game AM can't be compared to late-game Medusa, nor Spectre, nor Void. And he's TERRIBLE at countering Medusa herself in an actual fight.
AM himself quite weak carry. His strong points are flashfarm and great escape ability, not ultra-late carry potential.
Lol obviously you guys haven't read the whole description , just the title and then you assume that I'm wrong. These heroes counters them in a way , not completely, otherwise it would be IMBA!
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Not to be rude, but most people who post here already have a very good understanding of the complete roster of heroes. So, even if this would probably help a lot of the voiceless dotabuff readers, flames is all you should expect from any new topic related to dota knowledge unless you post some proof of what your claiming as correct, like a replay and making sure that replay is from 5k+ MMR.
But yeah, don't spread the lie that Bristle counters Axe. That's only true if the Axe in question is terrible.
Another thing, saying stuff like "if I'm not mistaken" just proves that you are not very sure of what you are saying. You'll only look worse in the eyes of dotabuffers when you say that, specially if what you put later is not correct or not completely correct. Bristleback's passive reduces every damage, not just physical.
Anyway, welcome to Dotabuff. What has been posted so far is this place in a nutshell, so hopefully you'll have a better time later :)
Oh thanks man:), I just edited it , deleted the bristle thing. I thought I was right because I saw a bristle owning axe in lane and harassing him in lane. But don't you think silencer counters Viper when laning ( early stages of the game) since he won't be able to use any active skill until he has his ultimate.( when cursed). I still find some people in Dota quite rude , in fact many though.
No surprises there. A great chunk of the dota population in general is an asshole :)
Yeah, there's one thing as countering a hero in lane, but you can't say a hero is a counter to another just for that stage, otherwise, every single hero who has CC would be considered a counter to almost every carry.
A real counter is when a hero is pretty much able to shut down another at the point where they shine, are able to prevent the hero from ever shining or, in a more extreme but more unlikely way, counter it at every point of the game. In your example, yes, Silencer counters a laning Viper, but the thing is Viper can lane anywhere so he could change lanes to avoid Silencer (theorycrafting) and if he builds a BKB, then bye bye counter unless Silencer gets a Refresher orb (more theorycrafting).
Mhmm , that's why I mentioned. "MOST OF THE TIME" above the list. If anyone failed to notice it. But when Viper actually happens to meet a Silencer in lane , it'll be very hard for him to even farm a bkb .
Take a look at this , I don't see how bristle can't counter axe.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQkMRfVJr5s
And
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4wfo_b3eg
Viper in general counters all right click heroes without strong stuns, he just kites em around with phase boots. He can rape ursa, naix, doom, anyone not fast enough to keep up.
Doom is a nice counter to antimage, phantom assassin, storm, qop, faceless void, anyone who has a spell for an escape. He's great initiation vs luna and big time ult heroes like that too.
lol wat. Why is there even a comparison between two carries with 6 slot mentality. Both have different play styles.
yeah I don't really care about 1v1 6 slotted matchups since that crap will never happen. It's more about earlier advantages, in lane advantages etc. By that logic AM does indeed counter dusa because AM will probably be farmed up quicker and rip through dusa's mana shield before she has time to get beefy. I like spectre vs dusa a lot too, hard to handle manta'd illusions with diffusal.
Some more obvious ones- ES > meepo, slardar > riki, bloodseeker > slark.
I find enchantress to be a pretty good counter to bloodseeker though. Blood just can't drop her with her heal and the slow debuff she puts on him. Pop those, tp out or wait for help to arrive and kill bs.
Pugna is a good counter to any support that has a high mana ult like lina, lich, lion, tide etc. Stops wombo combos in their tracks with good ward placement.
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Here are some heroes which best counter annoying heroes in MY OPINION , well, statically.Works well for me , in my noob bracket.So if you don't agree with this , at least give a reason why :)
MOST OF THE TIME
VIPER counters URSA( lane)
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If you think Ursa is overpowered , not really. Viper harasses him a lot , especially when laning , so much so that it's really hard for Ursa to actually get last hits. Ursa would have difficulties trying attack Viper due to the slow/poison which makes it almost impossible for him to get close. Unless Ursa gets blink dagger , then that's a different thing.That is providing he can outlast hit Viper.
SVEN counters Terrorblade/Phantom Lancer/Naga Siren
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Irritating illusion heroes , like Terrorblade is considered IMBA by many , especially when the game is dragged. Sven is actually able to wipe them off easily. A bkb would make him completely immune to stuns . Don't forget that he's actually quite tanky and posses high physical damage. Take advantage of his cleave when facing these heroes.
BRISTLEBACK counters axe ( in a way)
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JU4wfo_b3eg
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQkMRfVJr5s
BREWMASTER/BANE/SILENCER counters Huskar/Viper
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Doesn't matter if it's during teamfights or laning. Brewmaster's Drunken Haze and Bane's enfeeble is able to have heroes like Huskar and viper constantly missing their attacks. If you watch Dendi's stream , you'll notice that he owns Viper a lot at lane.
Druken haze cannot be dispelled and has low mana cost as well as cool down , which makes it one of the best debuff skills by far. Besides that, since brewmaster is quite tanky and also able to evade attacks by chance , Huskar and viper would be a petite to him as they are highly dependent on physical attacks, which makes them practically useless when debuffed.
As for silencer , it doesn't really counter them as well has the other 2 but it'll be good laning with him againts viper or Huskar. This is due to the lack of active abilities posses by Huskar or viper. Unlike Huskar , viper is only able to get his active skill, which is the ultimate , at level 6. Therefore , he's more susceptible to the curses of silencer. So take advantage over it while it last before viper reaches level 6.
CLOCKWERK counters shadow fiend/Nature's Prophet/Ogre Magi
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In a way , heroes who has long skill casting animation ( heroes mentioned above) is countered by clockwerk , they won't be able to do much after getting trapped in cogs. Clockwerk's battery assault ( 1st skill) damages enemy heroes every second , but that isn't the main threat , it's the mini stun which does all the work. Battery assault basically prevents heroes from channeling or casting spells. With that being said,Pudge should actually think twice before hooking a clockwerk with "Battery Assault" activate, he won't be able to dismember him as clockwerk cancels his channeling with mini-stuns, which allows clock to escape easily. Remember to always carry dust if they have invi otherwise it'll just defeat the purpose of ganking them.
MEEPO counters bloodseeker/Doom
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How many can bloodseeker rupture? How many can Doom doom? Answer's 1.You don't need perfect micro skills to counter them. Meepo is great againts single target skilled heroes , when a meepo is ruptured, bloodseeker's definitely going to attack that specific meepo, but he won't be able to when he's netted and raped by the rest. Just make sure that they won't farm their bkb before the game ends. Otherwise get heart or other tanky items (Mek is good)for higher survivabilty.
BRISTLEBACK counters Riki
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I think it would be quite obvious why.
Thanks for reading , I'll be happy to hear some of your opinions on this.Let me know If you think I'm wrong instead of criticizing.