^^^
Examples of people holding you down.
It's ok. Should the day come we play against each other, i'll be saying "Thank you for your MMR."
And for the record, i've been playing for like, 8 months. And I believe I've found my calling.
well, u have a lot of word to be done, and the reward gonna be pretty useless, imo. but, anyways, w/e floats your boat, m8.
also force-learning things isnt any fun. playing and eventually improving, and tryharding to get to the pro scene, are two quite different things.
you gotta climb your mmr and get to HS then VHS games first. after which, u can try trying out for any local teams, stream your videos and pray to gaben to get noticed by a PRO team and be recruited to play PRO games like ti99 and so on
By the time u will reach vhs bracket dota 2 will be dead... or everyone in the leaderboard will be 10k+ and 9k will be the new 4k, so ye gl xd
I truly wish you the best. You have chosen something very hard.
A few questions/suggestions:
1) How old are you? I'm not trying to steal your private information, but e-sports has a physical demands (reflex speed, concentration, mental acuity) that peaks for most males between the ages of 20 and 30.
2) What do you tihink your personal limtis are? Not just physical, but also intellectual and moral. How fixed is your personality? On a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 = I believe myself is always right and 100 = I believe the authorities always know more than me, where are you? I will warn you right now that DotA is so complicated a game that it is impossible to learn everything. A chess master may spend 20 years to learn enough patterns to master every opening, but DotA is at least a million times more complicated. Thus, it is actually impossible in a human lifetime to master all the DotA heroes to the level of "world best". Not only must you specialize your role in a professional team, you must come to accept some of your human limits may be unfixable. It may be the case your reflexes will never equal sumail or your drafting will never equal ppd.
Another possibility also exists: it may be possible that "perfect" DotA (the kind that most Western players aspire to play) either does not exist or is beyond human understanding. Because DotA is complex, it could be very possible that those we consider authorities are actually playing and teaching suboptimal DotA because no one has discovered a better way. However, because DotA is also a hierarchy of rank/MMR, it could be very possible that the players below you actually hold the seeds to that better way but you and others ignore them because their incompetence prevents those seeds from ever taking root. It may also be possible that there is no "best way" because even if a machine could spend 10^100 years to solve this game to determine optimal play, it would return an infinity of results lying along some continuous curve or that the optimal way of play is humanly impossible to perform due to restrictions of server lag, human reflexes, etc.
I know this is a depressing thing to tell an aspiring player, but please do not hold the common Western conceit that "I can improve myself infinitely" and "I am shit because I don't play perfectly". Your friend isn't wrong in saying this is a mind trick. You need this mind trick to become the pro because without it, you will never push yourself to reach your limits. However, don't be like the fool Icarus who fell to his ruin because he tried to push beyond the possible; remember that pro DotA is ultimately a battle between finite human beings (and not computers with perfect AI and infinite time) for money. Embracing your true limits actually frees you from wasting time and energy pursuing the impossible and allows you to better see the weaknesses of your opponents. As a competitor whose job is to win, that knowledge is half the battle and is often more important than skill.
3) How easily do you lose morale? How good are you at raising the morale of others? Are you a pleasant person to talk/live with? Do you trust your leaders and if you were the leader, can you inspire trust from others? What if your leader creates a plan you know is stupid? Does your competitive spirit damage teammates? How volatile are your emotions? Can you handle the betrayal of teammates / managers / organizers? How good are you at resolving differences or identifying when you need to split up from teammates? Or if you feel you should remain, how good are you at convincing others to stay rather than split? Pro DotA is a team game and you will likely live in a team house. Can you handle the teamwork that pro sports demand? It is one step below the military and at least two steps above most other professions.
4) Playing DotA for fun is one thing. Playing DotA for your job is another. When you are held responsible for your DotA results and progress, prepare yourself...it may one day no longer feel fun. It may no longer be exciting. It may become a chore. Instead of becoming your escape from reality or your emotional escape, it becomes a way for you to hate other players or yourself for failing your standards. It becoes a source of stress. Can you handle that transition?
I ask all these questions not to question your path. I ask because I was once a kid who prepared just as hard as you for high school math olympiads. I loved solving those problems and Chiense education made me think there was a "best/elegant way" to solve every problem. I never made it past provincial top3, but it was enough to allow me to study mathematics in the USA. I then realized the truth, profesional mathematics has NOTHING to do with the fun of math contests. All math contests taught me were tricks professionals used in their daily work, but the emphasis was on something far more boring. It wasn't about "who can answer more questions right in the fastest time using the neatest tricks", it was about "who can advance the theory by solving the past unsolved problem and then pose the next big problem to solve". Theoretical soundness was more important than speed or elegance. I felt like all I learned was useless. After studying the history of mathematics and science, I realized that many of the advances the West made came precisely because previously neglected fields were quietly advanced by marginal figures until someone realized the neglected field held the missing key to advancing that generation's greatest unsolved problem. It really changed my view on mathematics and life.
I don't want you to give up. But if DotA is deep enough a game, then it definitely should have room for you to be a competitor but also an innovator in the game as a pro. Don't feel like anyone holds the absolute standard, but don't be afraid to learn from anyone.
Become a pro player is way too harder than you think. I used to play Dota just for fun since 2009 (1 match a week or something like that ) But 3 years ago I started playing this game to improve. And Just a few months ago I reached to 5k now I'm 5.3, because I don't usually play ranked. Being a 5k player means nothing, I don't want to be negative, but seriously, me and the most of player in my bracket are still shit. So figure out how hard it is to become a pro.
I doubt Dota will be as popular in a few years, this whole MOBA popularity boom started in 2012, maybe 2013, then becoming full blown main stream in 2014 with girls and casual alike (everyones fucking playing league, even nigga's sisters and shit) but how long will it last? I dunno, there's lots of uncertainty when trying to go pro for a game like this, might not be the same a few years from now. Back then no one but a handful of people could make a living off being a pro Dota player, now a respectable (notice how I didn't say ALOT) amount of people can, so who knows.
Good luck, I don't think it's worth it at all, but if it's worth it to you, then power to you.
I remember Guitar hero, how popular "pro record breaking players " were, now NO ONE watches that shit, and those Youtube channels are failing. lol
Honestly League is still on the rise, same with Counter Strike. While Dota 2 seems to be going stagnant, neither falling or growing at a fast rate, but you should ignore what I just said, that's just based of intuition, and not hard core statistical evidence.
^ u git gud, u rape everyone, impress ppl, get invited to top team, win ti, win another ti, retire from dota as the first player who won 2 ti's in a row.
@york Guitar hero shitty game, Counter strike is still living in the competitive scene since 2001.
If u r still young. Work your ass of and don't listen much to what people say. Do what makes you happy.
I say: If you really wanna do it, you will have to work really hard for it. Especially when you have played less than 1k games so far. Watch all the helpful videos on how to play good by Merlini and Purge and all these guys and learn fast. In addition to that you need luck to get recongnized.
The risk is in my opinion not to fail, the risk is losing a fun hobby. Be careful not to put too much pressure on yourself because that will cause you to lose the fun in dota. When your hobby becomes your job, you don't have a hobby anymore.
All I will say is it takes years to get to a pro level at this game. You need to build a muscle memory for every single thing you do in a game, that means playing thousands of games and continually improving on your mistakes. So unless you have a very motivated skilled team behind you to measure your performance and help you identify and correct mistakes constantly, then you will never be able to assess your improvement in enough detail to enhance your performance.
Keep going though, don't stop, if you are good you will get there, if not then you will fail.
Give up on your dream before it disappoints you, realistic expectations are far more rewarding.
Also just FYI being 9K will get you noticed but won't get you a spot in the proscene, also being a solo queue warrior isn't the same as being part of a team. I am far better in structured team scenarios then I am in solo queue.
Just listen to the Chinese guy OP he makes sense and probably give a year or two at the max to determine whether you've got what it takes to go pro or not. Also agreed with what havoc says - Ur rather better off giving up on Ur dream if it.going well rather than being left disappointed at the end after having spent more than required time and resources on it.
even if you had a chance, i believe it's too late for that
also you might not realise at first but when you're practicing all day every day, you'll look at it as work rather than fun over time.
you probably won't go pro, you won't be on a top tier team, you won't be 9k mmr, and you will never have a sister as hot as Dendi's. Maybe become a caster, that's not as hard to succeed at.
@36 seasons
Who knows. I'm honestly gonna try and and get as good as I can. But I'm staying in school. It's harder that way, but also safer.
On a side note, i expected a lot less positive feedback. hahaha thanks guys. It does mean something to me.
I don't think that 8 months of Dota and 2.7k MMR is impressive to be honest. I hate that i'm this bad at this game, honestly. It makes me so mad. I realize that no one got to 4k with little time and experience.
At the same time though, I notice that i often play and win against people with thousands of matches and I think I just hit 800 or so myself. And I look at some of my games from months or so ago, and people who were in flat 1k are still there, 2.1k-still there.. and so on. It's really sad that some people don't have enough resolve to get better.
If anything, at the end of the day, I think the idea of going pro is a way for me to try and get better when i'm really struggling to do so right now.
Stay thirsty, my hoes.
Whenever you're going to sleep, open this thread, and read what Miss Chanandler Bong has written here. Read it twice before you go to sleep. I think, it will help you.
Good luck!
"DO IT!"
Belive in yourself. Trust, but verify. If you think you can do it, go for it. Even if you fail, you'll learn something.
You are young so don't trust anyone here more than you trust yourself. Best way to become a man. Learn from your mistakes.
Some people wasted 8.000 hours of their life or more, and are still mediocre at this game. Don't let them crush your dreams.
You're young, smart(if you ask me) and you're playing this game just for about a year or less.
So for the time you invested, I think you're doing just fine. If by end of this year you get to 4k, good job. Keep on goin'
you are playing normal skill, stop dreaming. either u improve by learning the game mechanics or you just play it for fun.
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Just wanted to tell someone that I truly want to become a professional player. The #Roadto9k will be difficult I'm sure. But you know, the resources are available to anyone. Why do you think more people are at 4k now then there were 3 or 4 years ago? The knowledge to win this game is literally right in front of us, you just have to see it, rather than believing that this knowledge isn't there.
The other day I literally had a guy try to tell me that telling yourself that you're the reason you're losing is just a mental trick to get better. It's not a mental trick, it's fact that if you're shit, you're gonna lose the game. If a 5k player could play at your level and win every game... is it because their team held them back if they lose at your scrub tier MMR? It's still their fault, even more so when they're that much better in skill. And while, I don't believe you can credit every single loss to yourself, there are times when say, a 4 stack decides to throw, but that's rather uncommon.
The shit posting kings on this forum will tell me to piss off and to not try, but people like Shred and my old coach have taught me that it's possible. And to be honest with you, i'm not happy going to college and doing a job I dislike. You think taking care of the elderly is a fun and happy filled job? No. Most health care jobs are the same and if you're stupid enough to do a job only for money, especially that you hate, I pity you. And until I can make a career out of Doto, I can assure you that hard times will make my goal seem impossible, but it isn't. Keep going.
TL:DR, Git Gud and quit crying.