General Discussionto any1 who wants to carry

Youre joking.

lmao, always went for double tango instead of salve, now my mmr gonna rise a lot. thx op!

daily reminder to not buy quelling blade as your starting item

^ but how are you going to get the lasthits for qb when you can't lasthit without it?

U r not carry , but support then c:

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My respect to those who start with tango, salve, ring of protection and stout shield.

I get as a carry 1 ring of protection, 1 tango, 1 circlet and 3 gg branches and build it into magic wand and basilius for the stats

a 7k friend goes mango tango salve stout 1 branch every game as his build

its my personal opinion that the new rop is complete garbage item to start with imo.

^Nice one too.

So against heroes, pretty much the same, against creep, yeah it's a big deal

it shows by how much on average stout is better than the ring, depending on opponents damage, and on your armor
(i should have made a 20/15 damage aswell for creep, but there anyway it's more or less 5/6 hp better for stout than for ring / hit)

Tango, salve,quelling blade, 1 branch, faerie fire

Many heroes I start with 2 tango, 1 circlet, 1 wb recipe

sounds awful lol
u shudnt ever start qb cos if u are suddenly put in hard lane/contested lane u wish you had a fast pms/stout instead of that useless qb
in any case it shudnt be standard build
starting 2 tangoes instead of tango salve is also really bad unless you have slot issues you should always want to have to different healing option which allows potential for outplay. only except wud be perhaps for morph since his hp pool is garbage

i feel like the nerf from 3 armor to 2 is significant in spite of the 25 price decrease
so you have a very suboptimal item component to start with
in a uncontested lane i would much rather start the recipe circlet since wb>basilus in terms of last hitting and stats etc. if its uncontested i can probably also get off a 20-30 sec clarity which would replace whathever mana needs you would have gotten from basilus. and ive seen from quite a few games when the safe lane is raping the offlane the carry would often choose to go for upgraded boots for more supression power over getting basilus, meaning u are often stuck with that item for long
and if i think it would be a contested lane i would rather get something like 2 branch circlet tango mango salve on a ranged hero, compared to starting with a rop that offers very little value

Stout, Quelling, Tango for any farming hero 4ever.
Upgrade to Poor Man's then.

^Rofl gtfo pls

xd
those were my opinions only which i typed out for discussion, i dont mean to pretend as if i know much

2 mango 4 faerie fire Kappa

@VoHiYo overaul it's still a buff, it was 2 armor and costing 225 ^^
Before getting a bullshit buff for one version, which we can totally forget

I still have to play against 2v2 lanes so I pretty much always go stout 2x tango salve branch, then rush a pms cuz lane is almost always bullshit and then build from there.

so when do you choose salve over two sets of tangoes?

^ when ur expecting more nukes than harrass mb?

personnaly i do stout tango tango salve.
So you can even give some tango to your solo support that had to give tango to your mid

tfw i'm so bad at dota that even hush makes fun of me

stout, qb, 1 tango, 2 clarity

i dont have any intentions to make fun of u, arin

shield tango mango salve
shield rop tango salve on some heroes
shield tngo tango
etc

Pentamango for every hero.

I think stout, tango, branch, branch, circlet is pretty universal for safelane carry.

You don't hog the courier as much and can hey pretty much everything you need from the side shop for 5-10 mins.

i dont really know about onluy 1 tango, you either have to play super passive or expect regen from supports