General Discussionhow to counter enchantress

block both creep camps she uses, and spam any spells. lich, sky, cm.

omni works too cz repel makes untouchable useless.
wd wrecks enchantress in lategame.
clonkz, lifesteal and ursa can easily burst enchantress down.

also jungling chen/enigma kinda ruin enchantress laning stage cz both have enough minions to easily kill ench despite her healing.

a slow/stun + jugger works for me

u might want boots asap tho

thank you
in my experience tho omni is fucking useless because her retarded rightclicks ignore both repel and ulti
to block camps i need to buy sentry + tp to lane = 275 gold
and i can do it only if another support buys courier

btw nice ench spam 4Head

Block camps and if u dont have strong support pick a ranged or very durable hero

u might want to block a camp on his side after 00:00, no need to to and do it asap.
omni is good during the laning stage mostly.

how do you block them? do you put your own ward there or it's enough to kill the big creep somehow and leave the minions there?
and i guess you don't want to waste an obs on offlane hard camp, or..?

sentry

usually put a sentry. killing the big creep doesnt help much cz the nest minute new ones will spawn anyways (ench can either kill small ones or pull). btw, about pulls, can some1 post screenshots of spawn boxes for the offlane camps plz?

the dire one is fuckin huge i know that,

very easy to block these camps and hard to deward

Creep domination doesn't matter, ench wins the lane with Q and E.
And good luck killing her with creeps ayy lmao.
Naix is ok but hero himself sucks if you pick him in a random matchup.
Jugg is Good late and can get kills in lane if someone helps with slows, otherwise she will just outrun the spin.
Slark can keep her in place and if you time Q correctly you can land 2 ez attacks no matter her Q.
Also, Skywrath Mage.

Tinker mid, dagon lvl 1-2 into hex into dagon full upgrade.

@vlad
thanks

@hamlet-doge
It's useless to block these. I usually block my own jungle.

^then u r bad

if you dont block her camp, u either have a trilane involving cm or mirana, that makes u expect to win lane against ench plus her creeps easily; or u want to ruin your own laning stage.

bane juggernaute + cm could be an decent lane to kill ench

bane sleeps him --> time for cm to come and freeze while jugg uses his spin + pure dmg brainzap.

Gotto block dem camps fam buy fycking sentrys or GG

thanks fam

as support nuke the fuck outta her, as carry pick something with high atkspd, ursa or pa or something. otherwise dodge her farm bkb then kill her everytime with bkb

@TripleSteal-
Why to block her jungle if she can take creeps in YOUR jungle?

This is how I place wards usually. And I starts liking it more and more, not only vs Ench, but vs any unfavorable lane.
And I think it works.

you should block BOTH, always

May be it's worth to block radiant hard lane camp, because you can block it and give some vision over top rune at the same time. But dire? No. It's too far and risky to go there, also if Ench goes there, she will lose some XP from lane, I think.

lmfao

im about to just say smthng like "huh dude u r so bad that i dont even know where to start"

if ench takes 1 creep at 00:30 at her camp, she misses experience for 2 creeps out of the first wave, but gets a minion that wins her the lane and lets her zone ur whole safelane, get experience and gold, snowball. if it is satir/pink bear, and u have no spells to insta kill/re enchant them, u already lost ur lane.
if enchantress takes two creeps, at 00:30 and at 01:00, and cleans the camp, she
-has two big creeps and fucks you in the ass
-has ~180 experience which is more than she would get out of the lane at this point, as long as ur carry knows to deny

whenever u try to pull, normal offlane heroes lose experience and gold, enchantress doesnt. she goes to her camp and farms it, coming with an additional creep, and ur carry gets less farm.
i actually dont know what enchantress players at mid 4ks do, but i dont believe they are THAT autistic, tbh.

Yeah, my example is bad. SS+Ursa is one of the best hero counters vs Ench, this is why we started this game so smoothly. But still, the concept is right, I think.

pink bear MLFAO

^His name is "Tomato". =)

its a pink bear whatever u say

also if u let me lane against ss+ursa without my camp blocked, ill win the lane 9 times out o 10, assuming they are no more than 500 mmr above me.
it doesnt even require anything special, cz the shit u r doig is easy as fuck. you zone shadow shaman, and as long as u have the very basics of micro and are able to press spells on enchanted creeps, you are fine. even shitty ones like centaur or ursa work in this case.

Wow you can kill a solo offlaner with ursa + SS congrats.

im about to just say smthng like "huh dude u r so bad that i dont even know where to start"

if ench takes 1 creep at 00:30 at her camp, she misses experience for 2 creeps out of the first wave, but gets a minion that wins her the lane and lets her zone ur whole safelane, get experience and gold, snowball. if it is satir/pink bear, and u have no spells to insta kill/re enchant them, u already lost ur lane.
if enchantress takes two creeps, at 00:30 and at 01:00, and cleans the camp, she
-has two big creeps and fucks you in the ass
-has ~180 experience which is more than she would get out of the lane at this point, as long as ur carry knows to deny

whenever u try to pull, normal offlane heroes lose experience and gold, enchantress doesnt. she goes to her camp and farms it, coming with an additional creep, and ur carry gets less farm.
i actually dont know what enchantress players at mid 4ks do, but i dont believe they are THAT autistic, tbh.

@luxon
u actually cant.

@arin
try to do it urself and get some ez pts then :D.

You can use observers too, costs just 75 too.

you cant waste obs to block a camp that is located at a place u dont need vision of, cz u only got 2 obs wards

You always block the creep box closest to safelane and use the other for vision. I saw it on Shanghai Major (not that blocking exists in my bracket).

you block ur camp with obs, and not the offlane one, and i was talking about ench's camp cz we were discussing it above.

Oh ok

Pick huskar

@triple

even at high 4ks enchants don't do that

they typically go Q and E lol

at least in SEA and my experiences of games averaging 4.7~4.9k mmr

i do know what you mean by how much stronger getting creep is though

Doom does fairly well against her. You can use devour to eat whichever creep she enchants. Scorched Earth should let you survive if she tries to kill you. Doom's Huge base attack time means hes less affected by the attack slow (although he already attacks so slowly that this doesn't matter). However his infernal blade allows him to do a lot of damage with the one hit he can land.
Only problem is that you need to make sure Doom is in the same lane as enemy enchantress so you may need to shift your carry and supports to the offlane depending on where she is.

sadly my micro is ultra garbage

@sven guy

nice one