there is no general answer to this question, it depends on the draft and itemization
If you play against 5 melee carries (pick whatever), axe + dark seer + winter wyvern + ET + enigma is the single best draft in the ultra lategame and will wipe the floor with the enemy draft, and it has 0 carries on it.
Does it have a better lategame? No in generla, yes against that draft.
Medusa is a pretty strong lategame hero, right? Well, sure, if you can keep the enemy carry from hitting her, because he's almost always going to get a diffusal and not give a shit about your 12k EHP medusa that deals no damage, or she deals damage, but dies fast anyways because the hero is shit if she can't keep people from hitting her (and you pick medusa in order to keep being hit and not give a fuck).
Medusa vs sven? Awesome. Medusa vs AM and mid bs with a diffusal? Fuck no. Medusa vs whatever with strong disables on her team so she can build damage instead of trying to get 20k EHP just to be countered by a diffusal? It can work.
You can't analyze heroes in the vacuum, because they are not played in the vacuum.
also holy shit how did you manage to get sub 1k MMR
Not if he can't burst the enemy carry in one chrono
Really depends. There's a lot of lategame carries with very specific strengths
You could argue legion being insane with potentially endless dmg, onehitting every building at some point
What about silencer stealing all of your teams intelligence at some point leaving you unable to cast your spells while he deals 5k pure dmg? He might be against a 50k hp pudge tho, if he ults him he dies anyway. He needs manaboots tho to cast a hook with no intelligence left Kappa
Arc Warden hurts lategame and you cant kill him cause it's always his double who tp'ed in first while he splitpushes your ass off
Arc Warden wins every single 1v1 in the pure 6 slotted late game.
However dota isn't a 1v1 so there r other heroes that thus can become better than arc Warden depending on the situation, as rpq said
yes but he is vulnerable to just being jumped on and chain disabled
he can play carefully and make it hard, but clone doesnt have 100% uptime
I think Warden's strongest points in the late game are:
1. Getting a pick off without risking anything.
2. Insane highground defense
3. He is pretty much immortal in late game because you fight pretty much only with the clone.
4. Great Rosh control with Sparks
5. Great split push without risking anything
Hero has everything in late game. His dmg output is secondary to those.
Enigma is only legit core hero that can kill whole enemy team with refresher, bkb, scepter
Apart from that I would say sniper since you dont really want late game against this hero. (unless u have spectre or spirit breaker)
Do you really care if the game goes late vs a spirit breaker as a sniper, tho? Don't you, like, two shot crit him anyways?
I'd say either AW or LC, a legion with like 1k+ duel damage is pretty scary imo, and if you get an aghs you can usually just eliminate one of their cores
Just a good and right initiation and team fight.I mean yeah they are strong when late game but just because they reach late game,we are like "Oh dang,he's strong now we lose,GG!", we don't need to counter a hero with your hero,rather your builds.
,rather your builds.
What build can counter a lategame sniper when you have 0 heroes good against sniper?
but i think spec or am is good against sniper,the thing is he is an sb builder that kinda gives the pressure when you need to shut him down,bm i guess but he could stop attacking a hero who activates bm or rather he build satanic,or a good tanky heroes
Excluding heroes that can scale infinitely which are Legion Commander with her duel damage, Pudge with his flesh heap, and Silencer that can steal a maximum of 571.8 when going against a team consisting of Pugna, Skywrath Mage, Invoker, Dazzle, and Lina. I think that its Spectre or void.
spectre 100%
i lost a game to spectre as CK where i had 31 kills, 6 slotted.
couldnt end the game because a turk and a greek in my team decided its time to start war and jungles while screaming at each other/pinging all game.
as soon as spectre was 6 slotted i could easily kill 3-4 teammates but spectre was almost unkillable
kind of a silly discussion - you might as well ask which of rock, paper or scissors are stronger....
my money would be on a late-game aghs dusa beating ck but there are plenty of heroes that ck shits on that own dusa.
@SUNBRO you were not farmed enough. Armlet and Echo Sabre are NOT items that count as a full slot lategame.
Change them to Silver Edge + MKB and you'd kill Spectre EZ.
Yeah you built really bad for spec.
I definitely do not think best late game is spec. Spectre's dmg is all aoe and tanky return dmg with dispersion. First silver edge fucks her so hard, like as hard as bristle, but for some reason people don't realize it's a counter and won't farm it but vs bristle they always do.
Second if you don't have squishy heroes she can eliminate in her ult with radiance and maybe diffusal most of her power is gone. Single target she does really bad damage and she sucks at hitting buildings so even if you win a big fight it's not like a fed lc or ck who will wreck your base in 5 mins. I think spectre's peak is really around 35 mins when she has three big core items- radiance, manta, heart. She should have those around that timing and she's one of the strongest with those. After that butterfly helps, pretty core item, abyssal sorta helps if you need lockdown, but she doesn't get a final super high dps item like other cores do and single target cores start to do more dmg than she does. And you can kite her and then all she does is radiance dmg once haunt is down. If you don't hit her and finish her last she wont hurt you that much outside of ult. It's not like late medusa where she is split shotting your entire team.
Terrorblade is super impressive late too if you do not have the lockdown to stop his sunder. He'll take out too much of your team with two lives.
I would have DK as one scary late gamer but silver edge fucks him way too hard as well.
@DireWolf: that's your 3k point of view and it's completely wrong, its all about how fast you can kill the enemy supports. Spec is the best late game hero and with core items like Rad, heart, manta, abby (maybe bm) she is unkillable. Also she can finish any support with her ult and abby stun in 2s.
my personal list (in no particular order)
invoker
ck
darkterror
spectre
medusa
is druid still good, or no?
lc because infinite scaling
morphling
sniper
tb
With silver edge spec is definitely not unkillable. A 6 slotted sniper vs a team with no catch will still shred spectre.
Any 6 slotted carry is going to kill supports in 2 seconds late. TA can crit for like 1k.
You know what I was surprised by when playing spectre is how I couldn't man fight pa. or maybe I'm just bad
Invoker. No Mather how fat enemy core. Invoker just crowd control enemy team kill then one by one
You know what I was surprised by when playing spectre is how I couldn't man fight pa. or maybe I'm just bad
same thing happened to me
we won that game but it was a grind
ended up getting bloodthorn to try to fight her
Funny nobody says meepo. It's dps is the highest, on heroes/towers, xpm easily highest, and gpm almost on par with alchemist. And hes overpowered from mid game onwards, not even late.
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