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SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

    I feel OP is looking up to my argument that party ranked is a more solid reflection of our skills and i agree with her. Then again after i read more.. cores like op is the exact reason why i stay in low mmr.

    MuLLi

      Why people wont just enjoy being low mmr in solo and take it as practice ground for party games as it should be :D

      Make smurf for solo tryhard and if smurf fails make another

      MuLLi

        Toxicity just grows as mmr grows. Who want to play with bunch of random toxic idiots at HS or VHS

        sbinalla

          just another kid who doesnt even know how to play dota hahahahhaha

          MuLLi

            ^Bit rude to come others threads just to say that

            Suck my tiny curry dick

              Rude but he’s telling the truth

              Vertoxity

                Why we don't make a 1v1 tournament in which OP will play against various players ranging from 1k up to 4k maybe, and we can see if she's capable of winning against any of the participants.

                I can even host the whole thing on Twitch and make it so the winner gets some free sets!

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                SayingPleaseHelps

                  The moment you setup the verification process for this tournament is the moment it becomes a good idea. I mean, based on things like this .eXceL's experience:

                  I tried to coach OP but they claim to not have any voice software on their PC or were not willing to use as it would ruin their concentration whilst playing
                  OP does not seem like the most trustworthy type and is likely to dodge things that will prove them belonging in the 1k gutter.

                  Vertoxity

                    Let's see if OP is up for doing this. It's gonna be nice little experiment.

                    play for fun
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                      ScaredyCat

                        Anything is possible, I mean, you can be excellent in one game and terrible in another. You can carry 20-1 and the next u lose 0-10..... Im top 1000 player in heroes evolved which is a mobile game similar to dota, but I suck at dota. You can be good at dota and suck terribly in a simpler game like mobile legends. I believe your situation is possible, you are stuck at 1k and stomping in 3k.

                        Guess what, last weekend, I had a 8 game losing streak in heroes evolved. Hows that possible when Im top 1% of players in local server? Well, its simply becos I played during weekend, (same with other weekends). When it came to weekday, I stomped back up.

                        So you are stuck at 1k, not becos of your skill, but becos of something else. Im an idiiot, but I can tell you that there is a reason to any coincidence or special phenomena. I think your case is special, could it be that you have a very high hidden mmr that causes valve to give you bullshit teammates. If your winrate is very high, but with low rank, some other games purposely give you shit teammates to balance the skill across both teams.

                        At the end of the day, find a game mode that suits you. For all those who are flaming violet, they are toxic themselves, so why listen to them? If you know you are better than them, than you are, dont let mmr change who you are.

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                        Tribo

                          can you stop bumping this thread ty

                          kuci

                            ^^^ that's like saying dota is climbing tree and OP is a fish, so it's ok if she sucks.

                            SayingPleaseHelps

                              I, for one, will continue bumping this thread. Firstly, because that way it will attract all the similar to the OP types to make their cases here or, hopefully, see the reception these get and rethink their stance. Secondly, this is a forum, people are discussing topics hee, why is this one so particularly undeserving to not get bumped? Lastly this is just entertaining: look at the marvelous contributions play for fun, MulliPullervo, Vertoxity and most notably the OP themself made to this conversation.

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                              azmarco

                                1k games are not harder than 3k one. But more tiliting for sure, yes.

                                Avo

                                  The reason he doesn't want this thread to be bumped is because it's beating a dead horse. Time and time again people try come out and say Solo MMR is rigged and there is a trench of some sort when it just doesn't exist. I've literally smurfed onto a 1k account, let my friends tell me what they want me to first pick for mid and then I carry on to win the game (first picked Brood, Visage, Timber and Earth Spirit). If you're honestly losing as Brood against a Venge, you really need to reconsider if your mechanics are up to scratch. There is a reason people like CLQ or other boosters use Brood as one of the heroes to grind accounts up.

                                  MuLLi

                                    I have tried to stop this by sayin to OP just make smurf for solo MM tryhard so he/she doesnt need to grind mmr up from the "trench"

                                    In 1k bracket u can go treant mid and win/drew vs sniper but I guess it works 3k too :D

                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                      Why we don't make a 1v1 tournament in which OP will play against various players ranging from 1k up to 4k maybe, and we can see if she's capable of winning against any of the participants.
                                      Just to clarify, we played a couple 1v1s when I was tilted, and it was close both times. This guy went so far as to say that I am not 1k.

                                      eXcel

                                        This guy went so far as to say that I am not 1k.
                                        useful validation... who is 'this guy'?

                                        kuci

                                          and match id please?

                                          Vertoxity

                                            @ Parmaviolets

                                            I stated that u are couple hundred points higher, no where near to 3k+ level anyways.

                                            We can play 1v1's more, and only because it looked like it was close, it doesn't mean it was. :D

                                            It's easy to get lost and think that it was close, just because you tend to be delusional quite often.

                                            Let's say even if you won against me (which is unlikely to happen), that wouldn't prove you're 4.2k (my current mmr), it would just prove you won against low 4k player.

                                            I've won multiple times against 5ks, few times even against Cookie guy, that doesn't mean much.

                                            You just don't want to learn, you are satisfied with small things such as being 2k for the rest of your life(which is fine if you are aware of it and are capable of accepting u won't be moving much futher), but you can't even get to the 2k, because of many things i've already said to you.

                                            And just to CLARIFY, the only reason why I want this 1v1 tour. is because I strogly believe that even high 2k/low 3k people are capable of disassembling you on average at least 8 out of 10 times on mid lane,because it's not only about how well you last hit and how good you can land a raze as SF.

                                            Your lane control is bad, you are not capable of understanding when you can intitiate on some advanced level and when you can't and you can't even draw the aggro proprely. This is literally just some basic stuff you're bad at, let alone advance decison making and many other things I'm also bad at. The difference is I'm aware of it and you aren't.

                                            We played 3 times and I won 3 out of 3 times, and just because you killed me, it doesn't mean it was easy, it just means I was testing your abilities to actually lane against me.

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                                            play for fun

                                              i love this "when i was tilted" bit, getting another excuse out there before anything lmao

                                              Vertoxity

                                                ^

                                                Yeah, she's quite often trying to find an excuse why she lost. It's kinda of sad that she can't realise that the only reason she gets tilted is herself, and not the other people around her.

                                                Honestly she doesn't seem like a bad person, just a bit out of focus. And the fact that you and many others started to flame her (to be fair, you all (me included had a good reason) didn't help.)

                                                It's hard for a player that's 1k to admit that he's pretty much few hundred points higher at best - because this fake "medals" that can be earned playing party MMR ( which will still represent that you are legend badge or any other) can mess up with your brain quite easily.

                                                WeirdChamp

                                                  3 years ago i start playing dota2 and i calibrated in 1k then about 1 and half year ago i start playing ranked again and i get 2.5k now im sitting at 3.4k
                                                  my point is the only reason u feel u getting held back by your teammate is u dont have skilset to become 3k
                                                  trust me when i was 1k i feel the whole world against me to not climb but when i approach the ranked with diffrent skil set my climb was easy
                                                  im not saying there is not trash teammates - boosters and smurfs in your games but trust me whenever u have the skilset for your mmr you will climb no matter the situation
                                                  so i suggest to practice more maybe u just need little edge to get out of there but there is something
                                                  ps : sorry for my bad english

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                                                  eXcel

                                                    Vert, you wanna play some 1v1s with me?

                                                    (this isn't a dick out competition, you main SF and mid heroes so I could use the practice)

                                                    Vertoxity

                                                      .eXceL

                                                      Sure man, why not. But keep in mind im super-rusty on SF, because of few things:

                                                      1. even tho I have many games on him, I've never managed to master the hero (the fact I remained low to mid 3k with him during whole time says a lot)

                                                      2. I'm simply rusty because after started learning Meepo and Clinkz, he was just not my favorite anymore

                                                      But we can do 1v1's because I enjoy them, especially if you don't mind playing multiple 1v1s, because I was kinda of searching for a better player to lane against ona daily basis

                                                      eXcel

                                                        Works for me! I don't main mid anyway and my SF record is lousy;

                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/players/56593403/matches?hero=shadow-fiend&enhance=overview

                                                        Vertoxity

                                                          I added you.

                                                          SayingPleaseHelps

                                                            @`avo

                                                            The reason he doesn't want this thread to be bumped is because it's beating a dead horse. Time and time again people try come out and say Solo MMR is rigged and there is a trench of some sort when it just doesn't exist.
                                                            That's exactly my point. Let them come to this thread and see for themselves all the arguments already made and answered before posting another pointless "1k is harder than 3k" topic themselves. Would you agree that they are more likely to visit such topic before posting if there is one present on the front page? Don't be dumb now, agree, k?

                                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                                              @Vertoxity Don't you dare slander OP like that

                                                              can't even draw the aggro proprely
                                                              When I was watching OP's replay on alch (Match ID 4111679232) I noticed 1(!) case of deliberate creep aggro. I even triple-checked, it was not accidental.

                                                              @OP Why did you feel the need to say this?

                                                              Just to clarify, we played a couple 1v1s when I was tilted, and it was close both times. This guy went so far as to say that I am not 1k.

                                                              No one who saw any significant portion of this thread would believe your continued self-aggrandizement is warranted. You managed to pad yourself on the back twice in that short statement. Why? What would have changed were you not to do that? Some random strangers on this forum would think slightly worse of you? Why does that matter?

                                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                Some random strangers on this forum would think slightly worse of you? Why does that matter
                                                                Because I desperately seek validation in my meaningless life 🙃

                                                                can't even draw the aggro proprely
                                                                look I get that im prone to delusions of grandeur but I always draw agro from creeps in lane it it suits me. This really is basic crap that even heralds do so it insults me when you imply that I dont do it.

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                                                                Vertoxity

                                                                  Just to clarify something:

                                                                  Even tho I don't coinsider OP to be in sub 1k or low 1k range, I don't coinsider her to be much higher.

                                                                  I'm quite positive that I've seen some 1ks play worse than her, but then again I've seen some 1ks play better.

                                                                  After watching her games live, I came to conclusion she's a bit higher, and maybe if she don't tilt, in her current state, reaching and peaking at flat 2k is possible for her.

                                                                  Regardless of how it sounded, I'll state it here once and for all: I don't coinsider her to be much higher than she currently is, and not by ANY means I don't coinsider her to be 3k.

                                                                  I've been good portion of my life 3k, and I'm still close to it, and even tho 3ks suck compared to 5k and 6k players, I don't think OP is anywhere close to being 3k player herself, because she literally lacks basics of a 3k mmr player.

                                                                  She barely understands some basic things 3ks can do, and I can even go as far as offering her 2.9k account to play on:

                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/players/394531047

                                                                  As long as she doesn't play Slark/Clinkz/Meepo and SF we're good, because I kinda of care about winrates on them.

                                                                  I can easily say that she'd be able to de-boost the account to 2.5-2.4k level in a matter of days (depending on how much she plays)

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                                                                  Vertoxity

                                                                    Honestly I don't mind when people tilt, because I can't say I don't. I don't mind people saying bad things if they apologize, because I do that too from time to time.

                                                                    What I mind and what I can't understand is why is it so important to actually have certain badge applied to you if you don't deserve it?

                                                                    Seeking validation that you are certain MMR when you are not is just dumb, because regardless of what ANYONE thinks here, the correct way to get to the any MMR is by climbing up the ladder.

                                                                    At the end of the day - no one is forcing you to do anything, but if you come on THE forum known for little to no tolerance towards threads like this and delusional dunning kruger examples like you, what do you expact?

                                                                    You literally have few options:

                                                                    1. Accept that ranked-based matchmaking that's not party MMR based is not for you, because it's quite different compared to party
                                                                    2. Try to learn and listen to better players that already smurfed their way out of 1k/2k for FUN, and had no issues at all (many cases)
                                                                    3. Accept that unless you improve, you aren;t moving much futher in terms of SOLO-MMR.

                                                                    Avo

                                                                      "That's exactly my point. Let them come to this thread and see for themselves all the arguments already made and answered before posting another pointless "1k is harder than 3k" topic themselves. Would you agree that they are more likely to visit such topic before posting if there is one present on the front page? Don't be dumb now, agree, k?"

                                                                      No, are you ok? There are a plethora of like minded posts etc at one search of google. If you honestly think they don't consider themselves an exception to the rule then you must be pretty "special". ^_^

                                                                      Vertoxity

                                                                        I think I just made a deal with OP.

                                                                        She might join on my smurf today to play few games. Honestly I won't mind losing MMR on that account, because i'll get it back sooner or later anyways.

                                                                        If anyone is interested, I can even Stream the whole thing on Twitch and we can watch her live.

                                                                        The quality will be 720p/60 FPS and the account she'll hopefully play later on will be: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/394531047

                                                                        SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                          @OP

                                                                          Because I desperately seek validation in my meaningless life

                                                                          Lose that thing (at least in regards to DOTA games) and you will climb real quick (well, not quick, but you will enable your climb).
                                                                          I understand that the attitude in this thread is not conducive to taking advice seriously, however this one is a real one - you can't afford to respond in inflammatory fashion (or initiate the flame) if you want to consistently win ranked games. There is a bit of personal psychologhy and a bit of group psychology going into that, but to keep it concise - if you feel the need to defend yourself to someone ingame - don't. Just ignore it. And this thread can serve as a good bit of practice for that attitude adjustment.

                                                                          Like this shit

                                                                          look I get that im prone to delusions of grandeur but I always draw agro from creeps in lane it it suits me. This really is basic crap that even heralds do so it insults me when you imply that I dont do it.
                                                                          You do not even know what creep aggro is for. You may use it every time you think it suits you, but it only serves to show that your recognition of moments to use it is greatly lacking. The game i mentioned you were an alch against ember, you are supposed to creep aggro for literally every cs and a few times inbetween to adjust lane position, you aggroed the lane off enemy highground once. That is not to say that I aggro anywhere as well as I describe it, intricacies of creep aggro are the distinguishing factor in 6k+ or smth, but you have to realize that you genuinely don't use aggro before you can start learning to use it. Your MMR does not care if you sometimes creep aggro, it only cares if you creep aggro consistently every time the opportunity presents itself.

                                                                          eXcel

                                                                            I think I just made a deal with OP.

                                                                            She might join on my smurf today to play few games. Honestly I won't mind losing MMR on that account, because i'll get it back sooner or later anyways.

                                                                            If anyone is interested, I can even Stream the whole thing on Twitch and we can watch her live.

                                                                            The quality will be 720p/60 FPS and the account she'll hopefully play later on will be: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/394531047

                                                                            Stream it plz

                                                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                              @`avo They may consider themselves an exception and they definitely are (in another way) if they can't google this shit up. Yet this thread exists. And others like it are gonna exist if this one slips down. I don't really care if ppl consider themselves exceptions if they need to accomodate the criticizm of that position already provided in this thread up until the point they joined it.

                                                                              If new threads like this are gonna get spammed they will just repeat the first steps over and over again and that will merely waste human potential. Yet here, after mere 7 pages OP cut a deal with a nice beta person who provided a coveted 3k acc to them, so that they can get a taste of getting their ass rammed by their superiors and accept that scrub mmr is actually way more comfortable. If every next special MMR snowflake who decides to post their grievances about unfair system has to adjust their position to pass the steps already presented in this thread it will literally save thousands of manhours. They will still remain snowflakes, but they will keep the unrefined arguments to themselves.

                                                                              Don't be dumb now, agree, k?

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                                                                              play for fun

                                                                                i watched spiderman homecoming today and honestly it wasnt that bad

                                                                                play for fun

                                                                                  spiderman spiderman slaps whatever a spider can, be it ass or your mom handing slaps all around

                                                                                  SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                    Mostly another spiderman though. At least if the evidence is to be believed.

                                                                                    Vertoxity

                                                                                      She doesn't agree for me to be streaming her gameplay, I'll have to respect that because I'm rather curious to see what's gonna happen.

                                                                                      Feel free to actually add me on my main if you're interested in watching her. She's setting up the hotkeys right now, and regardless of not being able to stream it - replays will be still downloadable.

                                                                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                        I could use an additional laugh. What's your ID?

                                                                                        MuLLi

                                                                                          Post replays ID here pls I love to watch it

                                                                                          Vertoxity

                                                                                            ^

                                                                                            Will do sir

                                                                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                              Invite pending.

                                                                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                                First game done -> https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4117446815
                                                                                                This one is a poor game, picked a hero i dont play often and made a lot of mistakes but hey first game of the day and first solo game in a different bracket :-) Still won regardless and had an impact in a way.